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Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2015, 10:30:37 PM »

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I should ignore the net start ambakdrv error, correct? Is it "system error 1058" at your end, as well?
You're using the WinPE64 program files from the installer, correct? Could you provide a file list, so I can compare?
Thanks again.
[Edit: I'm on Win8PESE-64. Also tried nircmd sysrefresh and shellrefresh in the meantime]
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 12:29:33 AM by Atari800xl »

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2015, 11:43:03 AM »

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You are right. I just checked again, and mounting works fine, but creating backup images depends on ambakdrv.

Loadrv.exe should be able to do it. I don't know what commands the installer gives it.

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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2015, 08:19:30 PM »

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You are right. I just checked again, and mounting works fine, but creating backup images depends on ambakdrv.

Loadrv.exe should be able to do it. I don't know what commands the installer gives it.
Aah, thanks for coming back to this. I was going slightly insane... :deadhorse:
Well. at least you know exactly what's the "issue" now, maybe someday we'll find out. Thanks for all your help so far.

EDIT: I've posted on the Aomei forum about this. I dropped a slight hint on the fact that other imagers are portable too, and why include the 64bit program files at all, if we can't use them in this "portable" fashion.  :tongue:
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 09:01:14 PM by Atari800xl »

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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2015, 04:39:42 PM »

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64 bit files are included so it can create 64 bit pe.

What you are trying to do was never the intention and is unsupported.

If I get a chance I may ask what the Ldrv commands are.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2015, 04:40:09 PM by SIW2 »

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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2015, 10:11:02 PM »

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Thanks again SIW2. Well, at least we learned that it's an "interesting" issue. Not only how we can get Acronis and Aomei (32bit version) to behave in a "portable" way, but also that there's a difference in loading/starting 64bit drivers for 32bit Aomei, and loading/starting 64bit drivers for 64bit Aomei.
And another issue is still the AmCore.dll "magic". I'm also very happy that JFX agrees that this whole thing should be dropped in a "free" version. I was reminded of this again when I put all my (working) portable 32bit Aomei stuff in an iso, and mounted that in PE (as I do with most apps). Once again, the "Unlicensed" thing reared its ugly head. Well, that's been discussed enough here already, so we'll just wait for Aomei's reaction to that. For now, I'll use those from a writable medium.

We can just stick to the working stuff now: (1) Builder script-based Aoemei (32/64, all working), (2) Builder script-based Acronis (all working), (3) Acronis portable (all working, if you find the correct 64bit drivers for 32bit Acronis 2014 yourself), (4) Aomei portable (32bit program files only, working on 32 and 64bit PE).

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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »

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There was a nice reply to my questions from a moderator on the Aomei forum today:
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I must say there are problems indeedly with Backupper if you want to run it in a third-party 64-bit WinPE, currently there are many relatively complicated operations needed to do if you want to add Backupper to WinPE yourself maunally.  We will release a PE edition of Backupper in the future.
The file AmCore.dll, we will modify it in future versions, please keep an eye on our updates. Thank you very much for your attention to our Backupper.

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2015, 09:13:33 PM »

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Some newsbits from the last week:
- I've been able to test the latest Macrium Pro version (5.3.7256 20141223, tested Free version only until now), as well as the latest ShadowProtect version (5.2.4.37298 20150105). No big changes in features or PE/SE related workings.

- Now that I'm testing the new Windows 10 build (9926), I might have found a solution for the Acronis "Analyzing partition" delays (sometimes 4 times 15 seconds during a restore operation, each time you have to select a drive or partition). Simply clearing the partition beforehand seems to do the trick. Must be some kind of "dirty bit" flag set in some cases. It's not the hiberboot thing, I always have that "off", must be something else we don't know yet. At least I might have found a workaround.

- Sidenote: WinNTSetup works great with the new build. I added NetFX3 to 9926's install.wim, after that a completely unattended setup with WinNTSetup (incl. the nice tweaks like disable setup animations etc). You can just use a 8.1 unattended.xml.
PostInstall also went OK (incl. ClassicShell), only thing that might interest some people: Don't use "DisableNotificationCenter=1" or the whole system tray will disappear (bug).

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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2015, 09:10:55 AM »

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Terabyte Image for Windows - Version 2.94 - February 8, 2015

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Added new /altregview option to consolidate variables and passwords.
Added new IFW Notify system tray utility.
Added new /wait option (must be first) to wait for already running copy to end.
Updated /recover option to work with latest versions.
Adjust GPT placeholder when adding a partition to the MBR on GPT drive.
Support EXT4 64bit feature.
Other potential changes, updates and enhancements.

The first Macrium 6 versions are also becoming available. For example: Home version, 32bit:
http://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v6/getmsi.asp?edition=0&type=0&arch=0&redirect=Y
Change "arch" to 1 for 64 bit
Change "type" to 1 for Workstation, 2 for Server, 3 for Server plus.

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2015, 09:54:55 AM »

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Hi Lancelot,
The first Macrium 6 versions are also becoming available. For example: Home version, 32bit:
http://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v6/getmsi.asp?edition=0&type=0&arch=0&redirect=Y
Change "arch" to 1 for 64 bit
Change "type" to 1 for Workstation, 2 for Server, 3 for Server plus.
http://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v6/getmsi.asp?edition=2&type=0&arch=0&redirect=Y
I changed the" type" to 2 and the link doesn't work. Is there something that I am doing wrong?
Or is it that they have not posted anything but the Home Version yet? Thanks for the help.

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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2015, 10:00:06 AM »

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type=2 works (Server version):

http://updates.macrium.com/Reflect/v6/getmsi.asp?edition=0&type=2&arch=0&redirect=Y

Mark, you changed "edition", instead of "type"!!!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 10:01:50 AM by Atari800xl »


Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2015, 09:36:51 PM »

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Hi Atari800xl,
The first Macrium 6 versions are also becoming available.
Just updated my script and files for new version. Hope this helps out someone.  :thumbsup:

http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=686.msg21215#msg21215
« Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 06:28:10 AM by Prz42 »

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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2015, 09:54:40 AM »

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Just updated my script and files for AOMEI Backupper Standard 3.1 .  Tested in x86 and x64 build.
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1296.msg15009#msg15009   :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: September 06, 2015, 12:49:04 PM by Prz42 »

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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2015, 11:54:00 AM »

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There is a file in LOG folder called reg.log. Looks like Cantonese, but I can't make sense of it.

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« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2015, 05:53:04 AM »

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IFW 2.94

For Info
when you have the full Terabyte Image for Windows installed on your client, it has it's own PE Builder plugin installer,
which you run and point at your PE apps folder and it generates this script which has always worked  perfectly for me.
I appreciate you need the program installed in the first place, but the script might help somebody

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[main]
Title=Image for Windows
Description=TeraByte Unlimited
Selected=True
Level=5
Version=002
Download_Level=0
NoWarning=False

[variables]
%ProgramTitle%=Image for Windows
%ProgramEXE%=imagew.exe
%ProgramFolder%=HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW

[Interface]
pCheckBox1="Start IFW Automatically",1,3,10,39,200,18,False
pCheckBox2="Add IFW Shortcut To Desktop",1,3,10,60,200,18,False
pCheckBox3="Add IFW Shortcut To Quick Launch",1,3,10,81,200,18,True
pCheckBox4="Run from RAM (boot.wim) - Recommended",1,3,10,102,264,18,True
pBevel1=pBevel1,1,12,10,133,273,105
pTextLabel1="Include Optional Programs",1,1,18,140,230,18,8,Bold
pCheckBox5=TBIView,1,3,37,166,200,18,True
pCheckBox6=TBIMount,1,3,37,190,200,18,True
pCheckBox7=TBOSDT,1,3,37,212,200,18,True

[TBIView]
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbiview.exe",Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIView_Process

[TBIView_Process]
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbiview.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbiview.exe,TBIView

[TBIMount]
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.exe",Begin
  If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.sys",Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIMount_Process
End

[TBIMount_Process]
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.sys","%TargetDir%\Windows\System32\Drivers"
Hive_Load,HKLM
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","Type","1"
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","Start","3"
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","ErrorControl","1"
Reg_Add,0x1,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","DisplayName","TBIMount"
Reg_Add,0x1,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","ImagePath","system32\drivers\tbimount.sys"
Hive_Unload
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbimount.exe,TBIMount

[TBOSDT]
DirMake,"%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt"
DirCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbosdt\*.*","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt"
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt\tbosdtw.exe,TBOSDT

[process]
RunFromRam,%pCheckBox4%
DirMake,"%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
// -- Copy optional files
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.ini",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.ini","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.f35",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.f35","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.ifd",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.ifd","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\IFW.INI",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\IFW.INI","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\ifwlang.dll",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\ifwlang.dll","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
// -- Process options and shortcuts
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW"
If,%pCheckBox1%,Equal,True,AddAutoRun,"Image for Windows","imagew.exe","",2
If,%pCheckBox2%,Equal,True,Add_Shortcut,Desktop
If,%pCheckBox3%,Equal,True,Add_Shortcut,QuickLaunch
If,%pCheckBox5%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIView
If,%pCheckBox6%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIMount
If,%pCheckBox7%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBOSDT

the identical script has worked in the last five or six update versions of IFW on the win 8.1se/win8pe se and win7pe se projects
that i use it with.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2015, 03:18:58 AM by APT, Reason: incorrect format »

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2015, 11:53:46 AM »

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IFW 2.94

For Info
when you have the full Terabyte Image for Windows installed on your client, it has it's own PE Builder plugin installer,
which you run and point at your PE apps folder and it generates this script which has always worked  perfectly for me.
I appreciate you need the program installed in the first place, but the script might help somebody
Code: [Select]
[main]
Title=Image for Windows
Description=TeraByte Unlimited
Selected=True
Level=5
Version=002
Download_Level=0
NoWarning=False

[variables]
%ProgramTitle%=Image for Windows
%ProgramEXE%=imagew.exe
%ProgramFolder%=HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW

[Interface]
pCheckBox1="Start IFW Automatically",1,3,10,39,200,18,False
pCheckBox2="Add IFW Shortcut To Desktop",1,3,10,60,200,18,False
pCheckBox3="Add IFW Shortcut To Quick Launch",1,3,10,81,200,18,True
pCheckBox4="Run from RAM (boot.wim) - Recommended",1,3,10,102,264,18,True
pBevel1=pBevel1,1,12,10,133,273,105
pTextLabel1="Include Optional Programs",1,1,18,140,230,18,8,Bold
pCheckBox5=TBIView,1,3,37,166,200,18,True
pCheckBox6=TBIMount,1,3,37,190,200,18,True
pCheckBox7=TBOSDT,1,3,37,212,200,18,True

[TBIView]
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbiview.exe",Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIView_Process

[TBIView_Process]
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbiview.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbiview.exe,TBIView

[TBIMount]
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.exe",Begin
  If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.sys",Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIMount_Process
End

[TBIMount_Process]
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbimount.sys","%TargetDir%\Windows\System32\Drivers"
Hive_Load,HKLM
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","Type","1"
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","Start","3"
Reg_Add,0x4,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","ErrorControl","1"
Reg_Add,0x1,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","DisplayName","TBIMount"
Reg_Add,0x1,"%reg%\ControlSet001\Services\TBIMount","ImagePath","system32\drivers\tbimount.sys"
Hive_Unload
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbimount.exe,TBIMount

[TBOSDT]
DirMake,"%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt"
DirCopy,"%ScriptDir%\tbosdt\*.*","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt"
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW",%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\tbosdt\tbosdtw.exe,TBOSDT

[process]
RunFromRam,%pCheckBox4%
DirMake,"%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.exe","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
// -- Copy optional files
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.ini",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\imagew.ini","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.f35",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.f35","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.ifd",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\cdboot.ifd","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\IFW.INI",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\IFW.INI","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
If,EXISTFILE,"%ScriptDir%\ifwlang.dll",FileCopy,"%ScriptDir%\ifwlang.dll","%Target_Prog%\%ProgramFolder%\"
// -- Process options and shortcuts
Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,"HD Tasks\Imaging\IFW"
If,%pCheckBox1%,Equal,True,AddAutoRun,"Image for Windows","imagew.exe","",2
If,%pCheckBox2%,Equal,True,Add_Shortcut,Desktop
If,%pCheckBox3%,Equal,True,Add_Shortcut,QuickLaunch
If,%pCheckBox5%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIView
If,%pCheckBox6%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBIMount
If,%pCheckBox7%,Equal,True,Run,%ScriptFile%,TBOSDT

the identical script has worked in the last five or six update versions of IFW on the win 8.1se/win8pe se and win7pe se projects
that i use it with.
I was able to add a few things to my script. I place the script in this folder
Win8.1SE\Projects\MyPlugins_Direct\Apps\HD Tasks\Imaging

http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1290.msg15018#msg15018
« Last Edit: September 06, 2015, 12:28:10 PM by Prz42 »

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2015, 12:07:07 PM »

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the identical script has worked in the last five or six update versions of IFW on the win 8.1se/win8pe se and win7pe se projects
that i use it with.

Hi APT,

just looking codes, well it would never work "perfect" with win 8.1se/win8pe se with default builder settings,
 registry lines are wrong and should give error (depricated years ago) , some lines should not work, and some lines "ugly" (did not check)....

use Mark's plugin



@Mark,

Mark, you are faster than me,
I could not find topic of your plugin (I had in my folder), can you create one with
Contact=??????????????????????
pWebLabel2="Plugin Page",1,10,20,267,200,18,??????????????????????
 :wink:

things noticed:
at [Launch_Program] you can use
Call,HostOSArch
to launch x86/x64  :wink:
+
you can see some code examples wiith Utils\Provide Files - multiarch .......

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Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2015, 12:33:12 PM »

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Lancelot

I'd hate to disagree with a baker of your calibre  :worship: :worship:
but that is the exact script created by the IFW program direct  onto my Win81PESE and has worked many times in a real life backup and restore
never having had a single error  :confused:

Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2015, 12:51:45 PM »

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Hi APT,

I believe, it is the success of application since it has a portable soul  :wink:
 as a result,
  plugin* they offer do not fully work ok, you can see errors/warnings about this plugin* (not application*) on builder log when you build,
  but since files copied correctly by that plugin, application* works following its portable soul  :wink:
   (maybe some options you do not use not work !!!! ;) , I don't use terabyte   :wink: )

shortly: plugin not fully ok - application ok since it is copied by that plugin


well, using Mark plugin would be better since:
 + it follows that plugin + adds .TBI assocation + adds x64 support + and probably other things   :thumbsup:

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ps: you can test plugins by using green play button
See: FAQ http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=834.0
Q: How to use / test plugin after build ? (green play etc.)

and check log....

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Re: Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2015, 07:29:23 AM »

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Terabyte Image for Windows
Version 2.95 - April 14, 2015
- Added multicast support via format of file given with /f option on command line.
- Added /tcpdata (TCPData) option (enabled by default).
- Added /usnrf (USNRollBackFix) option (enabled by default).

If any of my "disk imager buddies" tested this new version, please PM me.

 

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