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The future of winbuilder
« on: March 13, 2015, 02:04:23 AM »

paraglider

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Given that the winbuilder that we love / hate is almost dead is it time to move to a new platform like livesystempro? Livesystempro is actively developed and according to my brief tests is very fast ( faster than even the new java winbuilder ).

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 02:37:08 AM »

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Yes winbuilder is death  :smile:  There is no future of winbuilder  :thumbsup:
and
Yes but lsp miss lots of things .  :smile:

We know it from early begining,
 I personally gave guide about stuff and asked things to be implemented etc. etc.
    ......

At least, you can use all TheOven projects and LiveSystemPro projects under same base folder  :thumbsup:
 They have a dedicated section http://theoven.org/index.php?board=23.0 so any Enu user can get in contact here
  They replicate things on SE and Gena, so you can use as alternative,

LiveSystemPro is in its own development way, when / if it becomes mature enough we can reconsider..


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« Last Edit: March 14, 2015, 07:28:00 AM by Lancelot »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2015, 07:30:59 AM »

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Livesystempro is actively developed and according to my brief tests is very fast ( faster than even the new java winbuilder ).

Hello paraglider

yep  :smile:, LiveSystem pro's Build Time is very fast and safe and stable. Scripts are simple and functional. Applicable for novices and professional User. No software in our scripts and ..... more.

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Yes but it miss lots of things ....  :smile:

We know it from early begining,
 I personally gave guide about stuff and asked things to be implemented etc. etc.

Your'e right again and again and again . Lancelot ... you, JFX, (maybe ChrisR and all other Friends of this Community) sometimes also WE in the LiveSystem pro community are missing things (Above all, we miss time for work)  :wink:. And sometimes  :embarrassed: we are missing developer friends for improve, tests and going one way (not oneway). Everybody here will be welcome to switch the PE-Builder's soul.

- BUT- The World have to know ... WE (LiveSystem pro community) are FRIEND's and not competitors to "theOven" Team. Our Developer'(s) , Mod's and User's (also all) have the greatest Respect for the best PE-Developer-Team of the World. Preinstall-Envirunment=TheOven. It does no matter which Builder'(s) they use. LiveSystem pro is inspired and motivated by TheOven's PE-Projects.  :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: March 13, 2015, 07:50:43 AM by Turnkey »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2015, 07:50:51 AM »

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Hi Turnkey,

Nice to see you around,  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Since I find you now, and you have German communications  :smile:

I will ask small things for Multi7PE_SE:
+
Can you add support for extracted wim folders,
required lines are easy,
available at images.script - at [SetWimTools] first 18 lines ;)

+
to keep Tools folder tidy and better organised,
can you move these
Projects\Tools\X64 -> Folder
Projects\Tools\X86 -> Folder
Projects\Tools\* --> Files
to another folder,
maybe
\Projects\Tools\LiveSystemTools

+
and contributions are welcomed  :cool:

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Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2015, 09:50:50 AM »

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Hi Turnkey,

I will ask small things for Multi7PE_SE:
+
Can you add support for extracted wim folders,
required lines are easy,
available at images.script - at [SetWimTools] first 18 lines ;)

+
to keep Tools folder tidy and better organised,
can you move these
Projects\Tools\X64 -> Folder
Projects\Tools\X86 -> Folder
Projects\Tools\* --> Files
to another folder,
maybe
\Projects\Tools\LiveSystemTools

+
and contributions are welcomed  :cool:

Hello Lancelot  :smile:, thank's for friendly answer and any suggestions.

Since the new Version all Projects use only one Folder "\Tools\X86 or x64"  :thumbsup:
All scripts (basic and software scripts) were accordingly rewritten "\Tools\X86 or x64". (it is much work to change all folders you want for the first :ohmy:)

You are a very good developer, and our comunnity knows that  :thumbsup:. Give us many good reasons for your structural change propose.  :whistling:
We still are bull heads you know  :heh:

Conclusion for my posting today: Feasible's all. The basic factor for changes in the basic is the time to need for changes. Sometimes it is easier to accept things as they are. Sometimes not.

See you again ... and beware the very good work with TheOven Team without dispute (over all the years) . Respect  :good_job:


Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2015, 10:10:16 AM »

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Well, I am writing above since the first days,
 but I don't have enough German language and enough German stubbornness   :wink:
  I leave it to you, I always write at each update ....

I feel at one Point SE will also use "\Tools\WinXSE"
including
"\Tools\WinXSE\x86"
"\Tools\WinXSE\x64"
but not
"\Tools\x86"
"\Tools\x64"
which spoils the idea o using same base folder  :cool:


at least move files
Projects\Tools\* --> Files
to somewhere like
\Projects\Tools\LiveSystemTools

which would be a begining  :smile:

hopefully rest in time...

++
Same also valid for
.\Temp
srtinfo.ini should not be there ..... (and whatever comes next)


Come on, this is basic folder organisation we do more than 5 years now,
 it should not be hard to follow seperating project folders with different folders !!!!
  although things will currently work with same base folder,
   I decide never use lsp on my base folder because of these basic missing things ...
     generally get one when announced, extract to a seperate folder, see these missings and see what is new, seperate folder ....

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and having support to Extracted wim folders hopefully easy
....




anyway, not important to me, I give my feedback,
 maybe I will write same on next lsp update  :lol:

ps: no need to quote all posts, simply reply is enough  :thumbsup:

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Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 02:57:59 AM »

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and having support to Extracted wim folders hopefully easy
Yep, wim folders are extracted at first build even though we already have these folders. I do not want to have them 2x, to test LSP.

@Kare, Turnkey
Nice to see our LiveSysPro cousins  :thumbsup:
 
I added in preconfig the config for the extracted wim folders.
The extracted Wim folder are Auto Detected:
   LSP path folder > TheOven path folder > Interface Input. Otherwise Wim folder are extracted as currently

#
I tested LSP Unicode support, it works well  :cool:.
by cons, I have not succeeded with mkisofs but it works if we use oscdimg.
I added an option in Create ISO: Unicode Support with oscdimg. With oscdimg added via postconfig.

To test, I added simsun.ttc font and I changed QtWeb.srt in Unicode and with:   
Code: [Select]
set,%ProgramTitle%,因特网QtWeb
set,%ProgramFolder%,因特网QtWeb

* Mini_Package_20150319.7z (35.24 kB - downloaded 68 times.)

LSPBuilder is indeed fast, 32/64 bit, unicode support   :great: Domage for missing things.
It could certainly be the one, if it was more open source, under kare's property and with shared ideas, organisations.
But it seems that some discussions have already been tempted :wink:.

:cheers:
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 03:05:56 AM by ChrisR »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 07:55:06 AM »

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Hi Chris
Your improvements I've looked at . You can release the Select the source manually.
As you have noticed , the LiveSystem provides a lot of opportunities per builder to get to goal . The new Builder covers many needs that are not present in ancient builders .

Translate with Google.

Kare
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Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 08:17:04 AM »

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Hello ChrisR,

your specification "cousins" precipitated myself  :1st:

In adition to Kare:
Thank you for the Package.  :cheers: It will unleash discussions. I'm sure.  :great:

Question is for me personally, whether all important script writers and aid donors of TheOven would opt for Lsp or whether unrest breaks out in PE-life. We should then pulling on a rope, not on two.

Perhaps more pe-fans speak out here.  :cheers:
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 08:18:45 AM by Turnkey, Reason: my bad english ... »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 08:19:22 AM »

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Your improvements I've looked at . You can release the Select the source manually.
We All builders can select source manually,
 but it is not what asked !  :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
  better not post like ancient winbuilder authors  :lol:

As written above (and I write since first lsp project release):
 SE can select extracted wim files manually, :thumbsup:
 SE can select extracted wim files automatically, :thumbsup:
   LSP project can not select  extracted wim files manually,  :thumbdown:
   LSP project can not select  extracted wim files automatically.  :thumbdown:


Also, lsp projects fail following Gena SE projects simple path rules which was made following Gena - SE :thumbdown:
 We put all 5 projects to same folder with this simple path rules, but lsp fails following simple rules !!!!


As you have noticed , the LiveSystem provides a lot of opportunities per builder to get to goal . The new Builder covers many needs that are not present in ancient builders .
Well lsp also does not have features that present ancient builders, (pebuilder, kape, winbuilder ..... )  :thumbdown:
 and lsp projects does not have many many many many many features that presents at current projects (Gena - SE)  :thumbdown:


on the other hand, lsp as builder (not as project)  have other features that does not exists at ancient builder  :thumbsup:
 which personally does not take any of my interest.  :wink:

Shortly:
lsp can not override old builders yet   :cool:
 I had told you since you start writing first letters of lsp.  :wink:

After years, It is obvious from the result if you can see.

Kare
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Sadly lsp have some similar problems that present at an ancient builder, winbuilder ;)
posting like winbuilder authors  :lol:






LiveSystemPro is in its own development way, when / if it becomes mature enough we can reconsider..
Anyway,
 As I wrote initially, when time comes (obviously it is not today) ,
  There is already section to create topics for it,
    http://theoven.org/index.php?board=23.0

Till that day, have fun on developing.  :thumbsup:

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 08:26:05 AM »

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Question is for me personally, whether all important script writers and aid donors of TheOven would opt for Lsp or whether unrest breaks out in PE-life. We should then pulling on a rope, not on two.
Well Turnkey,
 it is always up to Kare, I hope at a point in following years, he may take right steps  :thumbsup:
  and it will be too late  :lol:
   or like winbuilder authors, continue  :thumbsup:
    in all way, fine to me  :smile:
     Since I care projects and peace more than any builder used, which I believe get things better and better,
           which is obviously better and better.  :smile:
 

Perhaps more pe-fans speak out here.  :cheers:
Hehe, not here, because of winbuilder sin,
 and not with lsp because of things I wrote above (since years) .

Anyway, Kare made decisions long time ago .........
Till that day, have fun on developing.  :great:

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Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 08:44:56 AM »

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You know I 'm not the English powerful. Therefore, I understand only 20 % and the rest must I together tight to me .
It may be that we misunderstand us .
Builder :
We discuss this topic since years.
Some like the builder and some may not .
So it is with all in life . Personally, I 'm not unhappy about it.
In any case, it makes a lot of fun who comes out a finished PE after pressing the start button.
Of course I agree with you . The project Gena he can not build .

Kare
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Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 08:58:17 AM »

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Sure, you can ask Turnkey for translation  :thumbsup:

The project Gena he can not build .

what does this mean ?

edit:
was bedeutet das?

God knows what you mean,
Gena can build, and always build  :smile:

reminding me same winbuilder problems, which in the end, as paraglider wrote, winbuilder dead ....

History is there to take lessons, or not.  :cool:
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 09:54:06 AM by Lancelot »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 11:00:12 AM »

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 Oh .... oh .... oh ....  :grin:

There are two bull heads in front of a small language problem  :viking:.
Kare is the worldbest pe-developer in this time an lancelot is the worldbest pe project-designer since bootland was born. BUT No one wants to read that way. Not today and not tomorrow. It is confusing and unnecessary. Spock would say. Illogical!

 

So I would like to clarify:

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Sure, you can ask Turnkey for translation
NO!  :white_flag:

With one small exception  :embarrassed:
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what does this mean ?
the means currently the Lsp-Projects can not produce Gena.   :sad: but that might change fast.

Lancelot  :grin:
We confide us and collective it is easy with defined and agreed paths and goals. My suggestion: We both keep us out and have fun with our squaw's  :icecream: and let talk the team chiefs. At the end we enjoy the best result . Ok?





« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 11:04:53 AM by Turnkey »

Re: The future of winbuilder
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2015, 11:48:24 AM »

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There are two bull heads in front of a small language problem  :viking:.
I don't agree  :wink:
Kare is the worldbest pe-developer in this time an lancelot is the worldbest pe project-designer since bootland was born.
I don't think about Kare being worldbest pe-developer in this time ,
but I am not worldbest pe project-designer, definately not since bootland was worn....

There are other names to mention for such honor ...
My only luck was first meeting Galapo, than JFX and ChrisR, who have same goals with me with different talents  :thumbsup:


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Sure, you can ask Turnkey for translation
NO!  :white_flag:
Sad, since such things required to get lsp mature,
 maybe MaineCoon can, since he follows TheOven and move things to lsp as much as he can, knowing closely to translate easly  :thumbsup:

 anyway I put my feedback: a translator required on lsp team special to Kare, not my concern  :thumbsup:


It is confusing and unnecessary. Spock would say. Illogical!
to me necessary if lsp would get more mature to fit requirements,
  as written on reply #1
Yes winbuilder is death  :smile:  There is no future of winbuilder  :thumbsup:
and
Yes but lsp miss lots of things .  :smile:

We know it from early begining,
 I personally gave guide about stuff and asked things to be implemented etc. etc.
    ......

At least, you can use all TheOven projects and LiveSystemPro projects under same base folder  :thumbsup:
 They have a dedicated section http://theoven.org/index.php?board=23.0 so any Enu user can get in contact here
  They replicate things on SE and Gena, so you can use as alternative,

LiveSystemPro is in its own development way, when / if it becomes mature enough we can reconsider..


:turtle:

 well can be taken also as unnecessary and illogical , since lsp goes its own path,

reminding me same winbuilder problems, which in the end, as paraglider wrote, winbuilder dead ....

History is there to take lessons, or not.  :cool:

this topic turn out to be, reminding me old winbuilder development days,
 ALL project developers got highly annoyed from winbuilder developers such attitutes, and totally left,
   I don't have any interest to live in same situation (shit) again, nor have such time.
    I don't think others have  :cool:


With one small exception  :embarrassed:
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what does this mean ?
the means currently the Lsp-Projects can not produce Gena.   :sad: but that might change fast.
Thanks....


Lancelot  :grin:
We confide us and collective it is easy with defined and agreed paths and goals. My suggestion: We both keep us out and have fun with our squaw's  :icecream: and let talk the team chiefs. At the end we enjoy the best result . Ok?
Sure,
what I did was very simple, supporting lsp projects folder organisation missings + mini thing about extracted folders,
 to keep lsp and TheOven projects in one folder with following simple rules..
    look what it turn out to be !
      maybe I should first suggest to hire a translator   :lol:

Even such simple thing cause such mess, I have no interest for any other ideas to feedback for a while.
 (same over same again, since first lsp ;) )








is it time to move to a new platform like livesystempro?
Overall, Current topic now serves more detail to paraglider question .. :smile:
LiveSystemPro is in its own development way, when / if it becomes mature enough we can reconsider..
Time to wait lsp get more mature  :great: :great:

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