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How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« on: February 20, 2016, 02:42:09 AM »

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How To Guide - Feedback Topic here..

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2016, 07:06:23 PM »

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Hi KYHI

A "How to guide" for newbies is indeed a must have  :thumbsup:. I would suggest splitting your guide in to two parts.
First part focusing on successfully building the first PE_SE by covering the steps needed to minimize the chance of failure - ( with pictures and illustrations ). Second part should be an introductory guide to build custom plugins. A few examples using Lancelot's plugin creator will be enough.   
 
« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 07:07:30 PM by anshad »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2016, 03:22:06 AM »

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It will take time - but that in the intended goal...
Both in the wording and structure...

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2016, 05:57:34 AM »

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Hi KYHI,

So far looks verrrrrry good  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :great: :great: :great: :cheerleader: :magic:  :bounce:

Minor feedback:
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TheOven is not only for PE special development,
 only PE takes most interest,
  and tools created are mostly  for pe...

Gates open to improve in time....

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For base
D:\Oven
Shorter better
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For source
D:\OvenS\W10x64
Or even shorter, the way you like ex: D:\Src\W10x64

Problem is ms use ntfs path linitation near to Its limits,
 we try to avoid with shortest path, probably one day we will need another method.

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And never source under base, It is long path and not practical to copy or pack base....

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Check attached file at http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=34.0
Maybe In some future, one day, 2k3 source intro  :cool:


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 I keep watching your updates on phone.  :great:


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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2016, 09:21:12 AM »

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well now I need a little help..

explaining the Advance Options for network plugin..
as I do not know about such things or if even worth mentioning...

Network Plugin
If you require Internet Access, a Remote Connection or Server Access from within your PE..
You Must select this plugin and Configure the any needed Advanced Options..
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 01:54:23 PM by KYHI »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2016, 01:58:04 PM »

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Also need a confirmation from a Win7 Builder and Driver Integration with double Driver

Does the Driver Integration plugin, integrate double drivers exported drivers properly ??

Or have you found that you had to include the DD drivers into a folder within PE
and then integrate then via DD program.exe ??

Thanks
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 01:59:03 PM by KYHI »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2016, 10:15:32 PM »

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Now, let's say you are working on BillieBob's PC and you need Network or Internet Access..

Option > Use Device Manager within PE and point it to look for the driver in BillieBob's Host OS...
If that Driver requires a System Reboot, then you will not be able to load that driver, at this time, in PE..
after "System Reboot" message, using hwpnp may load driver.

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not tested dd on w7

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explaining the Advance Options for network plugin..
as I do not know about such things or if even worth mentioning...
I agree, better not mention, no need to mix minds for a beginner.

ps: Added HistoryNotes01= to plugin to point where these advanced features comes.

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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2016, 12:44:24 AM »

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The how to guide is a very good initiative  :thumbsup:  :great:
It should probably help the support and avoid to repeat again, again and again.

I agree for the Advance Options for network plugin, it is very specific for NAS, Samba servers, better not to mention to avoid any confusion for others.

About double drivers, the organization or the display is really better than dism /Export-Driver.
However, it is not maintained since 2010 (Win7) and the export is probably not good for All drivers.
Probably better not to mention it too. May be we can removed this option in future.

See you soon, my time is still limited here
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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2016, 02:06:41 AM »

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Small contributions:

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about PeNetwork:
It maybe good to mention PeNetwork_After.cmd option,
sometimes people ask to start an application after network,
generally things like TeamViewer, AmmyAdmin etc.
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=52.0
shortly:
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If you want things to start after network ready, check PeNetwork_After.cmd option

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one can make network operational without PeNetwork, up to contributions, not yet on Win10PESE.
 It is more about contributions than the limitation of projects.
also one can use famous PENetCfg instead of PeNetwork http://pierre-mounir.freehostia.com/ , no contribution with plugin yet.
  Overall it is easier and gives more option to use PeNetwork or PENetCfg

Well a Network topic probably deserves another tutorial page to explain all.....  :great:



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Better inform one can extract all projects to same folder ex: D:\Oven


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Better to mention to install and test with an emulator at a point of your tutorial,
  \VirtualTest\VirtualBox Emulation
  \VirtualTest\VMware Emulation

  VmWare Player adviced since faster.
   If one can not get a working PE on emulator, there is something really wrong.
ps: Better to mention enable VT-X on bios for VirtualBox and VMWare.

ps: \VirtualTest\qEmu there only to test boot menu on SE - Grub4Dos, GFX Boot Customizer..... since qEmu is much faster at boot....
qEmu can not boot >nt5x (maybe it can but too slow)



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Following you, I will expand tutorial at
Adding 3rd party plugins http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1208.0
with \Downloads\ etc....
following your style, picture by picture, tonight or tomorrow due to limited time...
 hopefully this will be good add on for your tutorial.


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Generally:
A Beginner, even the regular ones, skip power of available modification options, and run big blue for any change.
 I understand it is not easy for a beginner, and changing habits.
   That is the reason I feel options available for modifications requires another topic,
    better keep simple for a beginner only explaining options for big blue, which is most demanded.

Maybe later a tutorial for "After Beginner" with Modification - Small green play by you  :great: :great:


ps:
MainConfiguration -> "Save" button not required for big blue, it is there for modifications after build.
postconfig buttons also there for modifications, side by side with emulators..... etc.


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It is quite nice following your page like a novel getting bigger.  :great:
A Big Thanks to you, I closely know a lot time required to gather all.  :thumbsup:

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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2016, 02:10:30 AM »

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I was concerned about DD
And thought about removing from Driver integration plugin..

Because my understanding is that we would have to use the Export command to get win7 drivers..
the export command exists on DD and DI

But you would have to copy the driver folders into PE - so they could be imported by the program.exe once PE loaded..

So a Revision to DD plugin to copy over export folder to PE

Because that I know of - we have never coded a pre-build Import Function for DD

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2016, 02:22:07 AM »

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"Create ISO Plugin"
Since it adds last things as default, it is safer to use it at least once before using other options like Copy to USB ....

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"Copy to USB-Device Plugin"
a note:
better to use first available drive letter (which is default) to use with format.

story behind:
when format used, drive letter changes to first available, if letter changed, error occurs, one need to re set letter on plugin


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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2016, 03:11:17 AM »

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After downloading and extracting zip
Very First using
Utils\Update -> Update

will only update latest plugins.
Bonus: you get a exact copy of server.

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every project section have download links at very top
ex:
http://theoven.org/index.php?board=36.0
->  at very top
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Project World ยป Win10PE SE HomePage (Moderators: JFX, ChrisR)
Win10PE SE download details
Web page: win10se.CWCodes.net
Download page: win10se.CWCodes.net/Compressed

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I know modifying and adding pictures to a post is quite hard (takes a lot time) on current forum engine,
 still above is useful without pictures.

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better not to mention: PC Provide Files
It is not updated regularly, and as far as I remember, added it quickly following Mark requests....

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« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 03:11:48 AM by Lancelot »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2016, 03:12:15 AM »

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Admin Attributes are good..
Just not good for a local user..

Well you see how basic, I am...
Like most, hard of understanding new concepts..
Even harder to teach an old dog, new tricks..

But You all see the format, I think should be followed..
So we all can learn something new..
Our Limitation is only a lack of knowledge...
So have at it - if time allows...

Yes, changing pic after upload is well, enough said..

FastStone Capture 8.4 is perfect for capturing steps when Auto-Save is On and File Name set to ScreenShot#####
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 03:30:19 AM by KYHI »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2016, 04:40:48 AM »

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Well.....
You can directly ask, communication is the key.

I like the format,
 new users always follow tutorials every step every sentence even every letter ,
   especially with a tutorial like yours.  :great:

So far so good, that is the reason I heavily feedback, rest is on your hands.  :great:

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2016, 05:40:27 AM »

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Then I am asking..
If you find the time, would you write a How To section in very basic steps...
Targeted toward the new User..
Thank You..

And Maybe ChrisR too..

Pick One, Any One..

It was suggested prior that I follow lancelot as far as Plugin creation...
No need to follow if you willing to lead..
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 05:46:00 AM by KYHI »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2016, 06:27:20 AM »

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As written earlier, to contribute your work, I will only update "Adding 3rd party plugins"
 with \Downloads\ , MyPlugin_Direct relevant Utils plugins, with your picture by picture style, that is all.
hopefully this will be good add on for your tutorial..

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It was suggested prior that I follow lancelot as far as Plugin creation...
No need to follow if you willing to lead..
Feel free, I do not have a will to lead on Plugin Creation tutorial, or any others ( following your last posts  etc..).

I will follow and feedback  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 You have better vision on tutorial writing, and I have info to feedback.  :thumbsup:

If feedback required for plugin, maybe new buttons description etc. let us know  :thumbsup:

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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2016, 10:42:40 AM »

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Following you, I will expand tutorial at
Adding 3rd party plugins http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1208.0
with \Downloads\ etc....
following your style, picture by picture, tonight or tomorrow due to limited time...
 hopefully this will be good add on for your tutorial.

Hi Kyhi,

As written before updated
Adding 3rd party plugins http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1208.0

with your style. :thumbsup:

hopefully this will feedback your tutorial on this area and make me feel I gave all basic info.

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I already gave all feedbacks for your current tutorial on previous posts.

You will feel better with new Attributes in following days.  :wink:

All rest, on your hands.  :great:

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Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2016, 12:47:58 PM »

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would you want to merge it onto the bottom of mine ??
so we can index it and jump down the same web page..

or should I just reference it via a link in guide ?

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2016, 12:52:23 PM »

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Do the way you like  :thumbsup:

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would you want to merge it onto the bottom of mine ??
If this is what you like,
Feel full free to copy-paste , modify to your topic with your post, all under your control.  :thumbsup:

(better not to use forum "merge" buttons, it will cause a set of mess....)  :great:


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« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 11:26:29 PM by Lancelot »

Re: How To Guide - Feedback Here Please
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 03:56:02 AM »

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Hi KYHI

I would like to suggest a small editing to your guide. The first step after downloading the PE_SE zip package should be is to "unblock" it before extracting.



If you unzip the package using WinRAR or 7-zip without unblocking it first, Windows smart screen filter may flag all executable files inside the package as dirty. This may cause serious troubles when we try to run the project. Especially i found that "WIndows 10" version of "Smart Screen Filter" as very aggressive and caused my "Win8PE_SE" build to be failed. Unblocked the archive first and build again - finished like a peace of cake  :smile:.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 03:58:07 AM by anshad »

 

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