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Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« on: July 05, 2016, 01:30:46 AM »

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I'm trying to compile a new Win8.1SE build for a ZenBook Pro UX501VW.
It's full of current hardware, such as Skylake Intel processor with HD Graphics 530, additional Nvidia GTX 960M or a 256 GB M.2 SSD.

For older systems (2012 to 2015), I just had to integrate the LAN/WiFi drivers and set the Original display drivers plugin accordingly.
For the ZenBook, that's not enough, unfortunately. Booting up Win8.1SE, I receive either an error message or a black/black flickering screen.
The last to be shown correctly is the Administrator icon ("Welcome"), the Desktop won't load.

It might be due to missing HD Graphics 530 and/or Nvidia GTX 960M drivers (like in the past with Win7PESE). As particularly these components are difficult to handle:
Is there some sort of plugin which includes Skylake's HD Graphics and the Nvidia GTX 960M?

Currently, I try to further narrow down the error. Some messages I received are attached.
Any tips are welcome.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 02:37:47 AM by Mikka, Reason: typo »

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2016, 02:18:40 AM »

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Maybe it's a PECMD bug, you could try to change the Shell loader to PEShell and see if this boots to desktop.

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2016, 03:00:19 AM »

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I could uncheck the Shell > 0 - Pecmd Loader plugin, did you mean that?

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2016, 03:37:08 AM »

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Ops, sorry i forgot that Win8.1Se doesn't have that option.

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2016, 04:09:11 AM »

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I did another approach with the latest release, just to see if it makes a difference.
Now the Desktop shows up, but there are two error messages: 1st one appears with the green push-pin icon, 2nd one thereafter.

Number 1 doesn't show a text, only □, !, ? and message buttons.
Number 2 is the following:

ila_rendered

After clicking OK a refresh is done, then shortcut icons are equipped with black rectangles and StartIsBackPlus looks weird.

Which brings me back to my initial question: Is there some sort of plugin which includes Skylake's HD Graphics...?
« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 04:24:18 AM by Mikka, Reason: screenshot »

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2016, 05:38:11 AM »

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No there isn't a plugin for Skylake's HD Graphics, as far as I know.
Graphic drivers are actually not needed in WinPE and some can't even be installed without a reboot.

Try to disabled plugins that could cause these errors in explorer.exe (ShutdownPE / PinTool / Explorer Addons)
Maybe also try switching from Startisback to Classic shell.

It must be a program that injects code in explorer.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 05:38:44 AM by JFX »

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2016, 07:47:08 AM »

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As I wrote, I tried the original Win81.SE release. I even reduced the default plugins further (such as Attribute Changer Petges, HashTab v5).
I switched from StartIsBackPlus to Classic Shell, too. Alas, to no avail: it's a plain mess. It really is!
The status quo is wholly unacceptable – I've never ever encountered anything similar.

I don't know if it's just the missing Intel HD graphics driver, but as the Desktop flickers or turns black when launching e.g. Notepad, it surely is an error cause.
Besides the varying error messages I keep getting logged off the Desktop quickly, having to relogin and resulting in graphical artefacts (icons, start menu).

It seems that Win8.1SE is thoroughly incompatible with ASUS' UX501 series.
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« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 07:48:01 AM by Mikka »

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 04:26:52 AM »

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Try also maybe without Startisback and Classic shell,
and by commentting all EXEC... (//EXEC) in PecmdInit.ini and Pecmd.ini.

It is maybe related to an other drivers, not graphic. Try to export 3rd party drivers: Driver integration > dism export
remove Gaphics, Audio and add others in driver integration. Use "pause when integrating" to see if compatible with 8.1.

Have you tried Win10pese which uses newer drivers ?

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 11:59:12 PM »

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Hi Chris! Yes, I built a Win10PE SE x86 afterwards, using the Windows 10 Enterprise Evaluation iso.
The graphic resolution problem remains (switching to 1900x1080 is possible but cumbersome, and artefacts occur).

However, I found out something new:
Booting the notebook with Win10PE SE or Win8.1SE (32 bit) only 853 MB of RAM is stated being available - instead of
minimal 3 GB. It's indicated in Windows' System properties. That means, in addition to the display problem for Intel's
HD Graphics 530 there's a severe lack of RAM, which is the main cause for the symptoms described above.
As the notebook disposes of 8 GB of RAM, I didn't expect this and sent a request to ASUS' support.

If they don't contribute a solution, the notebook will return to the seller next week.

Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 01:30:10 AM »

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Hi Mikka! This is the first time I read this Ram issue !!!
and it is, for sure, the source of the others problems.
I have the same kind of concern in a VMWare session with not enough RAM.
Before returning the notebook, you can possibly try to start the Windows RE supplied (with some Asus Drivers included), and see if you have the same Ram concerns.

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2016, 01:58:47 AM »

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Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2016, 04:46:36 AM »

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Some support clerk got back to me with the laziest first level reply:
Dear customer, Windows 10 PE isn't supported by ASUS and therefore we cannot test it for our devices.
Right, the dearly beloved text module named Get a life! again.
:grin:

However, it seems that my ticket was forwarded to Taipei, ASUS' second level might be a little bit more competent (otherwise I'll get another text module in Chinese).
Albeit, I have no great hopes.
:wink:

Edit:
Fun fact: Win10PE SE x64 seems to run flawlessly on the ZenBook (7,89 GB of RAM used), and I suppose, Win8.1SE x64 as well.
I'll keep you in the loop.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2016, 07:01:44 AM by Mikka, Reason: Fun fact »

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2016, 08:20:49 AM »

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So it is a out of RAM issue, haven't thought about that one.

But little to wonder if you use 32bit system, properly a rather big boot.wim and 2 graphic that
have no memory of their own.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2016, 04:23:26 AM »

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Even a 32bit PE should work fine for common purposes. The difference between 3,2 GB for a 32bit PE and
merely 853 MB on the ZenBook is considerable. Or in other words, the available memory for the 64bit version
is regular, but not the one for the 32bit version.

I reverted to Win8.1SE as display (no artefacts!) and customisation is better.
There are still some flaws but I'll treat them in a separate thread...

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2016, 01:16:53 AM »

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ASUS got back to me, another clerk this time. He blames me as I disabled Secure Boot and enabled Launch CSM,
thus activating Legacy mode. I haven't got the faintest idea whether Secure Boot is feasible with Win8.1SE or will be one day*.
Unless there's a viable solution, I stick to Legacy mode even for recent computers.

* Apparently there are users who got UEFI+Secure Boot working -- somehow.
It would be great to have a novice tutorial for a start.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2016, 04:27:31 AM by Mikka, Reason: update »

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 11:35:00 PM »

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SE projects are compatible with UEFI + Secure Boot in standard.
Use "Copy to USB-Device" plugin, Copy to "USB-Device BCD BootMGR" or burn the ISO.
Insert the USB flash drive or CD/DVD and power on UEFI Bios (F2 or others) to change the boot order, that's all.


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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2016, 01:09:39 AM »

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ChrisR, thank you for the reply.

A family member decided to order the ZenBook. As there were further inconstancies, it went back to the seller.
Currently, a second ZenBook is on its way, i.e. this topic will become active again.

I haven't decided yet whether I'll keep UEFI or disable it. I see no advantages in UEFI+SecureBoot.
Windows 8.1 installed in MBR mode will use 2 partitions, with UEFI it needs 4.

Not sure If I understood this correctly, you mean the order of the boot entries (usb stick topmost) is relevant?
I'd like to do a test at first...

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2016, 05:52:22 AM »

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Hi Mikka,

Yes, I mean the order of the boot entries with USB device set as first boot device (topmost).

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2016, 09:27:23 AM »

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* Apparently there are users who got UEFI+Secure Boot working -- somehow.
It would be great to have a novice tutorial for a start.


After you install Win10 to ZenBook on GPT disk ,
You can use Win10PESE with UEFI and SecureBoot, by starting Win10 boot menu:
See pictures:
1
http://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/18272d1430630779t-advanced-startup-options-boot-windows-10-a-settings.png
2
http://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/36454d1441728140t-usb-drive-boot-windows-10-a-boot_from_usb_in_advanced_startup-1.jpg
3
http://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/36455d1441728140t-usb-drive-boot-windows-10-a-boot_from_usb_in_advanced_startup-2.jpg


reference:
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-usb-drive-boot-windows-10-a.html
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2294-advanced-startup-options-boot-windows-10-a.html



Advantage is, this will work on all uefi pc without enable disable anything on bios. Win10PESE work out of box.
ex: Some pc do not have option to disable secure boot or enable csm.

Test both
Utils\Copy to USB-Device
Utils\Copy to USB-Device BCD BootMGR
 :wink:


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If you install to MBR disk, remember MBR have 2TB limit
GPT, UEFI, Secure boot are different things, still connected to each other.
Better you clear your mind by reading things on internet.
http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/

Once you get used to, having gpt disk with uefi boot at home has no disadvantage, only things different than old school method at first look.

ex:
Having gpt disk with uefi boot, with enabled csm disabled secure boot,
https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1013017/
 than you can boot with old school method by getting USB device as first boot device through bios as ChrisR stated
https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1008277
 or by choosing boot device at pc start (I use that way, here Asus F2 key)

also see
https://craftedflash.com/info/how-boot-computer-from-usb-flash-drive



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Re: Win8.1SE for ASUS UX501VW?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2016, 05:59:06 AM »

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Okay, let me sum up the steps before I dedicate myself further to the ZenBook (new model has just arrived):

  • Project Win8.1 x64 v61
  • Plugin Copy to USB-Device v54 featuring options: BootIce + FAT32 + Add Grub2-EFI (x64 UEFI only)
  • Alternatively, Copy to USB-Device BCD BootMGR v52 can be used instead
  • In EFI/Bios..whatever of ZenBook, new topmost boot entry in Boot Option Priorities for USB stick (default: Windows Boot Manager)

What about the Fast Boot option (menu Boot), which is enabled by default?

 

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