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Welcome to FAQ  :cheers:                                                       Google TheOven

Here I divide to 4 parts following Most Frequent:
1) Mini Introduction
Basic information you need to know
2) WinXSE - NT6x
---> Naturally latest WinXSE gets most frequent question.
3) General How to ?
---> General Things that is out of project.
4) Gena  - NT5x
+) TheOven CWcodes

I will also try to follow "most frequent" at a nice order at each section.

How to use current topic:
1)
There is a super universal solution, with CTRL+F (Control F) you can quickly check if your Question exists
(since these are hobby projects with free time it is the current solution we can afford)
2)
You can spend some time to read Questions to get an idea
3)
You can Feedback current topic with a nice Q A  :great: :great:
(open a topic at FAQ section http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=35.0 )
4)
If you can not find what you are looking for
Search TheOven via Google:
Ex:
In google box
Code: [Select]
Where is FAQ site:TheOven.org
Where is FAQ site:TheOven.org

Tip: You can seach plugins on servers the same way using cwcodes.net
ex:
Cryptographic Services site:cwcodes.net
https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=Cryptographic+Services+site:cwcodes.net&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=t2MMVbqZHYPWywOp4oGAAg



General Advice:
On Projects Start using:
First Check Project Main Plugin/Screen, There you will find basic instructions to start building projects.
 First Make a default build, without changing any plugin,
   this should give you a working project. ->
   At Virtual Test there are emulator plugins available to test final.
     VMware Player and Virtual Box are free emulators to test with.
     Tip: qEmuX (latest qEmu) can test SE projects slowly - qEmu (old) can not test SE projects

  -> If you do not have a working project
       check FAQ: Q: My Build Fails (or BSOD or any other trouble) - What to do  ?

Tip: You can build any project on any host with any architecture. If there is a special case Projects designed to check conditions and give info.

Tip: Some AntiVirus behaviours may cause unwanted (ex: unbootable) results.
 ex: Comodo AV - ner0 Reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1607.msg18973#msg18973
 ex: Avast AV - keror0 Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1739

PS: There is also How to start Building Project  ? subject on FAQ.

On Projects:
First Check Project Main Plugin/Screen, There you will find basic instructions to start building projects.
 Take a look at all plugins, sometimes all you need is enable a plugin for a feature or application,
 Plugins also provide lots of options, sometimes links also exists that gives more info...
  Although you will figure out some of them easly, some not easly, you will get the big picture  :thumbsup:
   Quick read FAQ http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.0

On Creating New Plugins:
 Start with Utils\PC Packed (Plugin Creator packed),
  This is the Primary way to create plugins, many plugins created with PC Packed,
     it will give you a nice Apps plugin in some seconds.
       ps: also check  Utils\PC Provide Files for "none distributable" Applications ;).

 To develop a plugin that requires additional features,
 See FAQ titles on this subject,
  Take a look at existing simple plugins at \Apps\ , see codes with "PC Packed",
    This is a Self Learning road, syntax is quite easy to follow, no programming skill required,
       just spend some time  :thumbsup:


Quote
** Forum TheOven.org
+ You can attach files after 10 posts
+ Forum Engine have a wide screen bug which you can workaround with CodeBox
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1349.0
+ How to use emoji / avatars: See Reply 76 - 79 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1350.msg16718#msg16718
+ Forum Support here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=11.0

If you are a nice people, you will have nice time and fun around.  :cheerleader: :magic: :smart: :matrix:

Since some not nice people, intentionally mix
 "Development Forum" with "General Forum" , idiot people, here are more words:

Always Keep In Mind:
We are absolutely free forum, gathered with people to work on things on our Hobby Free Time,
 No Advertisement etc.
   Since 2010-09-27 (5 Years passed quickly ;))
     Our Hobby quality is high like all people in the world who like to work on their hobbies,
       Hobby Free time is naturally low,
         We can not reply all things quickly,
         We can not add all features quickly (or forget at all),
         We do not add features that does not take our interest, work on it and share with public,
         We do not hire people for such goals,
         We do not open topics just to increase post or activity numbers like other "General Forums"....

All projects, and many things you find around are created with Contributions.
 Projects are not "compiled executables",
   many features requires too many work & time than writing programs,
      We are not support forum of a programing project (ex: GitHub, sourceforge etc.)
      We can not add features / requests quickly, do not add features and request that does not take our interest of our hobby time.
        Shortly: You need contribute about features etc. you think about.

ex:
Reply1 search plugin: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1483

We have our priorities, See Reply 7: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1375.msg15803#msg15803
We successfully work with "Development Upwards" principles for years like all good softwares.

 Plugins and Projects constantly and slowly increases :turtle: ,
 we DO NOT work with "Development Circle", See Reply 9
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1375.msg15805#msg15805

Development of both Syntax and Organisations always continues,
 Thanks to "Development Up" principles ,slowly with limited hobby time.
   Syntax Improvement Generally goes with Macro Library http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=14.0
   and mostly with Call command http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=45.0
    Ex: Currently 2015.10.11 re organisation with new new Call upload/download commands in progress.
    Ex: Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1440.msg17016#msg17016
 We slowly make organisational changes, there are currently (2015.10.11) ~2000 plugins on servers, 5+2 active developing projects, we like them all working nicely at any point in time.  :smile:
 Active Forum Members who write plugins informed a lot time (sometimes more than a year) before making changes that will be incompatible in future.
   Ex: Reply 65 to Mikka http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=340.msg17006#msg17006

Development of all plugins and projects are like a BIG ship, :titanic:
 we move slow, always forward.  :xmas-beer:

All This well designed but also big development goes with limited hobby time,
 coordination with Project admins,
  WE DO NOT TOLERATE anyone who like to waste our very limited time on Development Forum.



Ex:
*
 Korean IME Contribution
 Korean IME Support for Win10PESE contributed by ied206  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1440.0
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1456.0
*
 Request: Win10PE and PowerShell by sflach :whistling:
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1441
 
I do not use, I let it to the voluntary  :thumbsup:
 
Request: Change network related names by biatche  :whistling:
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1439
 
I do not have time for this, so on your hands.
 If you success, I can later add a feature to dynamic generation.
*
Request: (Requestish ;) ) unfinished .NET Frame work plugin
by Kyhi
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1454.0   :whistling:
*
Don't expect us interested in all features developments posted on topics, we have only limited hobby time.
ex: Display http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1424.msg16682#msg16682
Still we focus on posts which takes our interest:
ex: RegBinary Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1440.msg17016#msg17016
Things that don't take our attention is voluntary  :thumbsup: .
*
You have to follow what is asked to you, ex reply 3 by NexusFred :thumbdown:
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1438  :thumbdown:
*
You are NOT permitted to play Internet Forum Games / Post Games around,
 Go to a General Forum for such discussions, we do not need idiots on a development forum.
 You can hide your idiot identity for a while, but not forever, once detected, you will be banned.
Ex:
  aa post games
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2224.0
  wingers bann
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1434.msg16869#msg16869
  Mr_Cool59 bann
Opening same topic 5 more times
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1478.
and at last following what administrator told at reply 74 with sarcasm http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=340.msg17225#msg17225
is really a very idiot behavior
 Guinevere ban
In fact Guinevere open topic to attack me, but KYHI interrupted ;), a known idiot with with different MemberID
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1461

Some not banned but asked not to come back:
 spleenharvester
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1647.msg19317#msg19317

 .


So behave nicely, you are on a Hobby Forum  :camping:
 with People who like to "Cook with Codes at TheOven"
like
Sumatra PDF forum
http://forums.fofou.org/sumatrapdf/
Lonely Cat ( X-plore ) forum
http://www.lonelycatgames.com/forum/
NirSoft ( Nir Sofer ), Famous NirSoft do not have a forum, support goes through e-mails,
( it is not easy to open a public forum and deal with some not nice idiot people who only waste free time ;) )
http://www.nirsoft.net/about_nirsoft_freeware.html


We have enough experience on other forums to detect any "Internet forum games" played by "Forum idiots",
 DO NOT waste our times if you have such goals,
 we kicked out many of this idiot people, we don't care how many posts they write, we care our peace at TheOven.  :horse:

See Forum rules: http://TheOven.org/index.php?action=rules
Especially 7.3)

If you are a nice people, you will have nice time and fun around.  :cheerleader: :magic: :smart: :matrix:

Have fun :turtle:

Important XXX
To update projects, use
Utils\Update XXX (Exact and Secure) -> Update button   :thumbsup:



Important

See Demonstration at Reply 15 - http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1146.msg13355#msg13355

ila_rendered

*
After you download and extract zip distribution
 First use "Utils\Update XXX (Exact and Secure)"
  to get latest plugins from server.

See: How to update project - How to restore project (no need re extract zip file)
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1210

Also See: Adding 3rd party plugins
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1208

*
Use All Projects inside same project folder (ex: D:\Oven)
 (extract all different .zip distributions into same folder (ex: D:\Oven )
   All Projects designed to work that way from the very begining,
    and we benefit from this feature inside Projects  :wink:

benefits / features :
+ You are sure you have latest files from servers with "Utils\Update XXX (Exact and Secure)"
(no version mismatch, wrong file, etc...)
+ You don't loose time with conventional methods to add plugins between projects,
See -- Adding 3rd party plugins -- http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1208
also
ex: reply 13 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1146.msg13338#msg13338
and with personal plugins. "MyPlugins"

*****
+
A first user experience, About plugins, folder organisations,
 see Reply 2 and further here
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1171.msg13691#msg13691
+
See "Newbie questions" here
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1435.0


************************************************************
winbuilder (bug builder) and their developers have no credits with projects,
  in fact they tried to sabotage projects and current forum for years now (5 years and more),
    see reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1205.msg14145#msg14145
************************************************************


How to start Building Project  ?
Follow instructions on Main Plugin,
 All Projects at TheOven.org simply say:
  * Point SourceDirectory to a Supported Source
   ( Reply 22 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg17158#msg17158 )
   We can not follow all builds/beta/alpha of windows development,
    we do not have time for that, up to project admin interest to spend free hobby time...
      still we follow feedbacks by end users on different builds/beta/alpha .. than supported sources.  :thumbsup:
  * Disable AntiVirus
       (or add folders (Source and Project folders) to AntiVirus Exclusion list)
         (Anti Virus - False Positive - FalsePositive - Antimalware - Antivirus -Antispyware)
      ++ Sometimes "Disable AntiVirus" no work on some AV,  Some AV features not disabled and can result unbootable.
            ex: Comodo AV - ner0 Reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1607.msg18973#msg18973
            ex: Avast AV - keror0 Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1739
  * Click "Big Blue" button, at top right.

Tip: You can build any project on any host with any architecture. If there is a special case Projects designed to check conditions and give info.

Some more simple advices:
+ SourceDirectory better on harddisk folder (to speed up)
+ Supported Source: On Main Plugin follow Button or Info or Weblink....
      ( button: "List of Official ....." , "Download Official" )
+ SE Projects: better use Utils\Extract (Wim) Folders to speed up build.


Some NewBie questions:
RChadwick http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1435
Prz42 , mixed things, http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1455.0

If you fail, see: My Build Fails (or BSOD or any other trouble) - What to do  ?


Q: My Build Fails (or Halt or BSOD or any other trouble) - What to do  ?
A:
0) Follow (Read) instructions on Main Plugin.
 Try to make a default build without changing any plugin.
   At Virtual Test there are emulator plugins available to test final.
     VMware Player and Virtual Box are free emulators to test with.
     Tip: qEmuX (latest qEmu) can test SE projects slowly - qEmu (old) can not test SE projects

0b) Be sure your base folder is short, under "root\sub folder",
Ex:
extract zip file to
D:\Oven
folder
ex: Fix "Booting to black screen" http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1476

**
using D:\ drive instead of C:\ may have effect.

0c) Be sure your source folder is short,
ex: D:\S\Win10_x64
     (extract your .iso to D:\S\Win10_x64 == Or == Copy your cd to D:\S\Win10_x64 )


1) Be sure about your source
SE users follow Q: Win SE  Support Which Sources ? on current topic.
 (YES official msdn ISOs, NO  RS2 insiders build , NO Iso with integrated Hotfix or CU)

 Gena users, use standart WinXP/2k3 source, follow Q: Gena Support Which Sources
  (Gena: no nlite reply 8 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1417.msg16386#msg16386 , no "Dell OEM CD", ...)

1b) Be sure you DO NOT change 'Target Directory' and 'Iso File' settings
One only needs to select the SOURCE and leave all other values at their Default settings..
Reply 22 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg17158#msg17158

1c) Be sure you * Disable AntiVirus
       (or add folder to AntiVirus Exclusion list)
         (Anti Virus - False Positive - FalsePositive - Antimalware - Antivirus -Antispyware)
      ++ Sometimes "Disable AntiVirus" no work on some AV,  Some AV features not disabled and can result unbootable.
      ++ Remiding Windows Defender on Windows 10 (maybe also others) is active and hidden from Windows Desktop. Search google to disable Windows Antivirus which maybe active.
         Comodo AV
        a setting with Comodo AV cause unbootable result
        ner0 Reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1607.msg18973#msg18973
         Avast AV - keror0 Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1739
     False Positive Examples :
        Ninotech Path Copy, pathc400.arc
        http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=697
        WimUtil
        http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=101.msg6185#msg6185
        upx
        http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=234.0
        hiderun
        http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=614.0
        http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=903.0

httt://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1803.0
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=903.0
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1183.0
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=697
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=101.msg6185#msg6185
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=234.0
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=614.0

And a funny false positive I see recently:
http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/caffeine/

Quote
AV warning: Annoyingly, some Antivirus products detect the above file as having a virus in it - something called Razy or Spursint.A. It's connected with the new icons added in April 2016. The icon file which I added is clean, but if I build the app with those cool new icons in, it then scans as infected. Building the app with the old icons does not - there is no other difference.

So here's the same download, just without the new icons, if this causes you trouble

2) Update Project:
Use
"Utils\Update XXX (Exact and Secure)" -> 'Update (Download and Copy)'
to get latests plugins from server.
 So you may get fixes that maybe relevant to your trouble.
Ex:
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1444
Reply 87 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1350.msg16910#msg16910

3) Test with Default settings with Default plugins. (Change nothing only exception see following steps)
Tip:
After using once,
Utils\"Update XXX (Exact and Secure)" -> 'Update (Download and Copy)'
Than
Utils\"Update XXX (Exact and Secure)" -> "Restore" button ===> Will get you Back to Default settings with Default plugins in some seconds.

4) SE users:
Use
Utils\"Extract Wim Folders"
to get your source extracted,
 this will extract wim/esd etc. files which sometimes helps fixing some troubles (+bonus build faster  :smile: )

ps: PreRequest above: 0c) Be sure your source folder is short

fixing some troubles Ex:
Reply 83-86: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1350.msg16761#msg16761
Error with mounting source: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1509.0

Bonus: You will build faster.

If still fails:
4) SE users:
Try
"Main Configuration" --> change all "Import HostOS" to Auto

5) SE users:
use enu source following "List of..." or "Download ...." button on Main Screen (Main Plugin) of project.

6) SE users:
Disable Drivers\"Driver Integration" Plugin - a driver can cause unwanted results...
Ex:
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1495
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1443

7) If your build success, but some plugins not work,
 Keep in mind,
   Old scripts not supported,
     Adding them also can cause other plugins failure.
      \Downloads\ provides Hunderds of working plugins,
        and it takes only some seconds to create new plugins with Utils\PC Packed


If ALL fails, report with LOG  :cool:
SE\"Main Configuration" ---> Enable 'Create Support Log'
Gena\Basic\"PrepPE" -------> Enable 'Create Support Log'
Make default build (big blue), provide LOG package  ( ...7z )

DO NOT post meaningless pictures or info,
 This only shows failure but give no information why this happens.
    No Log, No Cook.
     Always provide LOG.  :thumbsup:

Tip:
If mkisof fails, there is oscdimg available:
Finals\"Create ISO" --> Create ISO Tool : oscdimg

mkisof is faster, report failures to get it fixed, or slow iso creation  :smile:


Q: Where is logon screen?
Q: Logon screen is missing?
Ex: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1492
A: You definitely do not know what you are using...
Tip: Use WinNTSetup to create Portable Windows - http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1236.0


Q: Can I use these projects as "undamageable" windows kind  ?
Q: How to install SE to hd ?
maybe, but you should not,
There is license issue, PE will not work with many stuff, you have System priveledges which you can do (destroy) anything ..
It maybe better create a Portable Windows like WinNTSetup  http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1236.0  http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1240.0
or
Use something applications like https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=reset+to+previous+windows+every+bot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=pgHmVMSNMs7paMW3gZAH#q=application+reset+to+previous+windows+every+boot+internet+cafe
(The ones I know: Deep Freeze, Farstone Restore IT )
or
simply make your backup with an application and restore when required..
or
Use Kiosk Mode see ChrisR reply 4 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1218.msg14255#msg14255
....
......
See Topics:
 undamageable windows http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1218
 Win7PESE82_Builder ISO install on HD? http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1248



Q: I want a feature but does not work (or does not exists) ?
With same reply to above Q: Can I use these projects as "undamageable" windows kind  ?
In Addition:
See Reply 13 "I want to have blabla Theme" http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1229.msg14457#msg14457
See Topic "Create New User" reply 1 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1227

If you are not aware you are using a power tool,  don't use,
  if you like new features to be added, and not exists, try to add such feature and contribute to projects.

Shortly: Currently There are no Portable Windows project available that have all features of windows.  :cool:
 On The other Hand there is WinNTSetup   http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1236.0  http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1240.0
  which you can install Windows to VHD   :wink:


Q: What's the differences in download between AppGS, AppY, AppYGS and Yomi?
A:
See Reply 3
http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1856


WinXSE - NT6x

Keep in mind (Common Sense):
 WinXSE Projects are very mostly similar on core settings,
  still things maybe slightly different and sometimes specific, follow common sense:thumbsup:

Q: Win SE  Support Which Sources ?
A: There is "List of ..." button on main interface of all projects,
 SE support (tested) only with these sources,
   if links don't work, login ms to download or google internet to find the .iso image

     Trying other sources is up to end user luck ( BSOD ),
       All MSDN sources are not supported,
          get "Supported Source" mostly Official MSDN ISO , No RS2 Insiders build
       Developer edition if not written not supported, get "Supported Source"
       Updated Sources (Cumulative Update (CU), Hot fix) NOT supported, good luck, see topic http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1980

        Do not expect feedback with such unsupported sources,
          they are not supported, we do not have free time to test all .iso images by MSDN or individuals, all up to your luck.
        Still it is nice to report results with such sources  :thumbsup:

ex:
 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1207
 Desktop icons are not avaliable http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1224
 Developer edition http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1455.0


Q: Can not boot  ?
Tag: process stops suddenly with no progress , windows 8 symbol with the spinning dots
A: See topics http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1152 - http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1149

Q: Do you want to make PEX-builds as fast and reliable as possible ?
A: Follow Reply 3 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10605#msg10605

Q: What should I use as a source on SE projects?
A: check reply 2 here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1133.0

Q: How to Reuse the extracted wim folders, previously Prepared ?
A: Follow Reply 4 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10606#msg10606

Q: How to get small builds that requires smaller ram & size ?
A: Follow Reply 7 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10609#msg10609

Q: What to select for a minimum Win8.1SE building ?
A: Follow Reply 9: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10610#msg10610

Q: BSOD 'Cache_Manager in Win8.1SE (WinPE5.0), what to do ?
A: Follow Reply 9: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10611#msg10611

Q: How to enable a password at logon and for the lock screen in WinXpese ?
A: Follow Reply 2: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=861.msg10919#msg10919

Q: How to enable a password at logon and for the lock screen in Win8.1SE (OS built) ?
A: Follow Reply 2: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=861.msg10919#msg10919

Q: Unable to delete the Mount folder, what to do ?
A: Follow Reply 16: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=856.msg10907#msg10907

Q: How to add WinPE package ?
A: Build\"Install Packages" plugin available  :thumbsup:

Q: I want to add WinPE package manually with dism.exe but I get Error: 0x800f081e ?
A: Build\"1 - Copy Files" -> 'File Copy' set to 'Full'
Common Sense (as indicated at top): if there is not such an option, it is removed for some reason by project developer.
Also check reply 3 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1150
Also see here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1211

Q: change drive letter of "boot"
A: See JFX reply http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1565.0
Change X:/Boot Drive Letter from X:/ to C:/?
A: See JFX reply http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2018

Q: I couldn't launch any programs which is on 'Programs' folder. (And there was Warning Icon on background) ?
TAG: Q:I have a very, very long delay and after that a black screen with pxe boot.? (Tag: samba-server )

A: Boot Media can not be accessed by Windows, whatever reason (driver missing, pxe ...)
Solutions:
*
A1) Solid Solution (All Users: Normal, PXE etc.):
 Build\"CdDrive - X: - Y:" have Run All from Ram option.
   For some more info Check Runfrom,RAM info here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=452.0


A2) If you want to keep programs at Y drive (out of boot.wim) and still want a solution:

A2_B1) Normal User:
Check http://driverpacks.net/ packages ( http://driverpacks.net/driverpacks/latest ) ,
 there is Drivers\"Driver Integration" plugin,
  Keep in mind, devices = drivers increase everyday, some drivers does not have simple nature,
                 these drivers requires some work from end user and share around  :thumbsup:
   ex: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1330


A2_B2) PXE User:
Check
 "Components\PXE Support"
   plugin, made by 2aCD,
    if it doesn't work for you
      -> let us know if you can fix
      -> you have a "A1) Solid Solution" at hand to save the day  :cool:

A2 EOF)
If for any reason, you don't have Y: drive after boot
 -> after waiting long and you get to desktop,
        and on explorer you see files of cd drive (or iso or network) but with wrong letter (not Y: or not mounted),
         There is "Start Menu\System Tools\ReMount CdDrive Y" shortcut available  :thumbsup:
 

Q: How to add my windows driver to build ? - Importing driver from Host OS
A: Check "Driver Add" Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1910
A: Check anshad reply 29 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1105.msg12913#msg12913
A: Check ChrisR reply 7 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1443.msg17076#msg17076
Tag: Double Driver

Add Printer, Scanner, BlueTooth Driver
A: Check "Driver Add" Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1910
Add Driver http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1909
BlueTooth http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1823
Also check Printer Beta plugin http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=692.0
(PS: Printer Beta plugin not added to projects so may require update to work properly)

Tip:
To add your custom drivers, use
Drivers\"Driver Integration" plugin
and
Check "Driver Add" Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1910

Q: Display Problem. Switching Resolution not working as expected ?
A: See Kvark Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1424

Q: Info: Explore network path under Win SE ?
A: See Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1976
Tag: UNC-share , credential window

Q: I don't have permission to access files ?
(Backup , Partition software troubles...)
A: It is a trouble using Administrator account instead of System account (ex: Win81SE)
Some known solution:
+ Use "Access Gain" plugin, it gives permissions do drives out of box (for now only on Nt6x-x86 builds)
+ Start such software with SYSTEM user
More Details can be found here: Require Permissions From TrustedInstaller http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=866

Q: Why 2 versions of builder inside package ?
A: Because winbuilder is bugbuilder, Check Reply 7 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=887.msg11254#msg11254

Q: Dart Plugin ?
A: Check anshad Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1137.0

Q: SE and DaRT can coexist ? (Integrating Dart to SE)
A: Check anshad Reply 8 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1134.msg13096#msg13096

Q: Start disks OffLine ? (Integrating Dart to SE)
A: follow anshad reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1149.msg13391#msg13391

Q: USB mouse not detected sometimes ... ?
A: See gbrao reply 7 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=815.0

Q: USB Flash Disk not work ?
A:
Same USB won't recognize after being unplugged until you run Force Install USB
See realdragonluv reply 4 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=2010.msg22605#msg22605

Q: Boot task order on SE project?
A: See ChrisR reply 48 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1201.msg14706#msg14706

Q: How to get SE bootable on USB - Disk - UFD (USB Flash Disk) etc. ?
*
There are plugins to ease this task
WriteMedia\Copy to USB-Device
WriteMedia\Copy to USB-Device BCD BootMGR
++
Tip: At least Format once usb stick with "WriteMedia\Copy to USB-Device... plugins.
Win7PESE-formatted usbstick may not work with Win10PESE, when you reformat it will.
*
If you create a .iso boot use
Utils\WinContig
There is also
Utils\BootIce Pauly
Available to create bootable drive etc.
*
For Grub4dos (and isolinux etc.)
Gena\WriteMedia\Tutorial Gena Disk Boot
plugin provides a general way and ready tools, menu.lst etc. to boot .iso, which works also on SE
*
On .iso boot,
To get Program files inside .iso
1) put .ini file side by side with .iso at root folder ( ex: Win7PESE.ini , Win7PESE_x86.ISO )
2) or use Run all from RAM option ( Build\CdDrive - X: - Y: --> Run all programs from RAM)
+
Reminding: On .iso boot, if you get Stop 7f when booting from USB ,
 On SE there is a plugin 'Copy to USB device' which has "Use .iso boot" checkbox
+
Reminding: On .iso boot, for SE projects there is Utils\WinContig to get .iso file contigious (else it may not boot)
Gena\WriteMedia\Tutorial Gena Disk Boot also have cmd tool to get file contigious

Q: On OS Mode is it possible to switch PE mode  ?
Currently OS mode available at Win81SE,
 You don't need to, there is already context menu "Run as System"
   see reply 11 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1201.msg14168#msg14168
      further if you like to work on such thing, share around  :thumbsup:

Q: Adding  Wow64 feature to another project (wim)  ?
See Topic: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1127

Q: I request blabla ?
If you have feedback, ideas to projects, feel free  :thumbsup:
 Request for specific tasks ignored, See topics  :tongue:
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=941.0
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1214
TheOven projects are not like application development,  they are  contribution projects,
 Many contributed with their specific tasks plugins,
   if you have specific task and create a plugin for it, share around  :thumbsup:



General
Q: How to update projects ?
Q: There is an error during build ?
To update projects, use
Utils\Update XXX (Exact and Secure) -> Update button   :thumbsup:

Q: How to search forum ?
A: Instead of forum search engine, use Google with its features,
ex: Write google box: FAQ site:TheOven.org
https://www.google.com/?hl=en#hl=en&q=FAQ+site%3ATheOven.org

Q: How to enable/disable plugins ?
A: Just click green checks on left of Tree-Structure

Q: Missing Dependencies dll etc. ?
A: Except Portable Windows, there is always missings, there will always be missings...
See JFX Reply 1 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1486.msg17253#msg17253
See Lancelot Reply 77 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=340.msg17265#msg17265
See following Questions:
ex:
How to add dependencies of a plugin (simply) ? , How to Find dependencies ? , ....

For Portable Windows: Check WinNTSetup http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1236

Q: How to connect wi-fi ?
A: See reply 23 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg24498#msg24498

Q: How to add dependencies of a plugin (simply) ?
A: See reply 1 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1181.msg13799#msg13799

Q: How to Find dependencies ?
A: Process Monitor is your best friend,
See ied206 Reply 11 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1483.msg17256#msg17256

Q: How to create Bootable CD/DVD?
A: After build, at \WriteMedia=>ImgBurn ---> Here click "Start ImgBurn ISO" button to write to your CD/DVD media.

Q: Where to find other plugins ?
Q: Where to find project specific plugins ?
A: Follow reply 16 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10624#msg10624

Q: How to edit Plugin
A: There is "edit" button available on each plugin, (over "green play" button) -> than click 'Source'

Q: How to get (extract) / add attached files inside plugins ?
A: There is "edit" button available on each plugin, (over "green play" button) -> than click 'Attachments'

Q: What is the meaning of Small Build (Basic Build) ?
A: SE: Build Plugins (Default) + Shell Plugins (Default) + PostConfig + CreateISO
A: Gena: Basic Plugins + CreateISO
It mostly helps developing plugins since making Small Build takes less time  :smile:
 Further, it is used to give info on topics,"I made Small Build, added VSS, xxx plugin and result .... "

Also check "Basic Project" Plugin
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1876.0


Q: How Can I add a Program ?
Q: How to Add Things to ISO ?

--Q: How to create simple Application Plugin ?
A: All projects have Utils\"PC Packed" plugin available,
  ( http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=178.0 )
    follow plugin instructions, you will be able to create hundreds of simple plugins easily.

--Q: How can I add a program to the startup?
A: Easy way is using Utils\"PC Packed"
 (Reply 4 and later http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1879.msg21343#msg21343 )
Tag: Autorun

A2: Reply 3 instruction to create Startup .cmd (so called Startup Batch)
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1895.msg21453#msg21453

--Q: How to add Application without creating Plugin ? (Direct Copy)
A: Probably it is a portable app ;)
A1: See
Portable Finder Startup CD ( TheOven_Startup_CD.cmd )
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1900.0
Portable Finder Startup ( TheOven_Startup.cmd )
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1891.0
Portable Finder CMD
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=370.0

A2: Follow ChrisR's Reply 4 about using Apps\Portable\Pstart and Apps
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=837.msg10655#msg10655

A3: We have an "Additional Files" plugin on projects,
WinxSE\Components\"Additional Files"
Gena\Components\Tweaks\"Additional Files"
You can easly copy anything to your build  :thumbsup:
A3b: Image plugins ("Create ISO" ) have "Put Files for 'Root CD' Here" button,
for things you want to add to projects, out of image.

Q: How to Create Complex Plugins ?
A: Check Reply 10 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=823.msg10780#msg10780

Q: How to put registry entries as plugins
A: All projects have Utils\"RegCPE" plugin available, which converts .reg file you export,
just copy paste the result under the [Process] section of plugin.

Q: How to create complex plugins (plugin writing) ?
A: Follow reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10616#msg10616
Also Folder Organisation would give some additional info http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=118.0 ,

Q: How to update current plugins ? Why Plugins don't have options to change Setup File ?
See Reply 1 here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1199

Q: Plugins Accessibility ?
General plugins available at:
\Downloads\AppYGS\Accessibility\
\Downloads\ComponentsY\Core\1 System\Accessibility\

Gena project have some more options at:
Gena\Components\Core\1 System\Accessibility\

Q: Plugin for NVDA ? Accessibility ?
See Reply 1 here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1199
See \Downloads\AppYGS\Accessibility\NVDA - ChrisR - Bulletin

Q: How Folder Organised ?
A: Check Gena Folder Organisation tutorial here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=118.0 ,
Organisation is same among all projects

Q: How to add or test plugin after build ? (green play etc.)
A: Follow reply 15 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10623#msg10623

Q: How to build Faster - Test Faster ?
A: How to build Faster - Test Faster - http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1209.0

Q: How diskmanagement differs between WinxSE and Gena ? (Also GPT + Overcome 2 TB Limit)
A: Read topic here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=526.20

Q: How to overcome Out of system resources popup message ?
A: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1132
other "Out of system resources" reports:
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1502

Q: Flash Player (YouTube) videos not working ?
A: Flash player updates too frequently, you can update existing plugin or easier
       install flash after boot ex (Oscar): flashplayer10_1r85_3_winax.exe -install
           You can also create a plugin with PC Packed having Startup option .

Q: PENetwork how to configure WiFi ?
A: See Holger (PENetwork Author) reply here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1223

Q: PENetwork not autostarted in Tray?
A: See hapx solution here: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1128

Q: Is it possible to create different builds (x86/x64 , different projects) using same Program Files folder
A: Yes, plugins organised that way, see reply 4 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1142.msg13219#msg13219

Q: Booting OtherOS iso files with UEFI ??
See anshad reply 1: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1220
Tag: EFI/BOOT, Grub4dos, SecureBoot, CSM Mode, Legacy mode, Legacy boot, Legacy support, UEFI firmware, Boot Device Control

Q: Load drivers at startup does not work ?
Q: Driver Integration Fails ?
A: See Reply 3: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1330
A: Check "Driver Add" Topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1910

Q: Dependency on plugin does not work... ?
A: depends= is a known bad feature of winbuilder for general plugins, not used on any general plugin,
Reply 98 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=340.msg17475#msg17475

Q: Change drive letter of boot other than X: ?
A: It's not supported to change the drive letter.
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1565

Q: Forum Name TheOven ?
See Topic: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=16.0

Q: Script has no certification ?
Stupid Winbuilder Developers,
See Topic: http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1971

More words about plugins:
Q: How to Test Commands without plugin ?
A: Follow reply 18 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10630#msg10630

Q: What are Commands to use on plugin syntax ?
A: Follow reply 19 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=834.msg10631#msg10631

Q: How to add shortcut ?
A: There is Add_Shortcut Command in Macro Library, follow here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=50.0
Check plugins, it is most used very easy to use command.

Q: How to create shortcut for files added custom and on Y: drive  ?
Drive Y: is assigned by project
Step1) so you can create a simple plugin to create shortcuts
(Utils\PC Packed -> e button at right-bottom)
Step2) see KYHI post




Quote
Default Value="Add_Shortcut,StartMenu,,%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\%ProgramExe%,%ProgramTitle%,%PE_Programs%\%ProgramFolder%\%ProgramExe%,,%ProgramExe%,1"
-=
Desktop="Add_Shortcut,Desktop"


Add_Shortcut,Desktop,,Y:\Tools\MyEXE.exe,MyProgramTitle,Y:\Tools\MyEXE.exe

Add_Shortcut,Startmenu,SMFolder,Y:\Tools\MyEXE.exe,MyProgramTitle,Y:\Tools\MyEXE.exe


Q: How to create shortcut for files on other drives  ?
A: Easy way: If you have single stick or disk for such thing:
"Set one for all the USB Drive Letter " http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1488.0
than use Add_Shortcut Command

A: A bit harder way:
Use
Apps\System Tools\Portable Finder CMD
and create shortcuts with nircmd via Portable Finder CMD...
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=370.0

A: Reminding
Thera are also some set of Portable plugins available at
\Apps\Portable\
or
\Downloads\AppYGS\Portable

Q: What does Runfrom RAM - CD mean , how to use ?
A: Runfrom Command avaiable in Macro Library, follow here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=452.0
Also here are more words about Runfrom http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=81.0
Tip: Utils\"PC Packed" creates a standart Runfrom usage  :wink:

Q: How to add a missing file ?
A: Require_FileQ Command available in Macro Library http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=43.0

Q: How to write None-Western things to registry where Unicode etc. required  ?
A: This is very special case, check here reply 1 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=835.msg10641#msg10641

Q: How to create a Plugin with File Container Plugin (attachment inside a 2nd plugin)
A: See Reply 5 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1117 and for reason behind see anshad first post

Q: How to create a Plugin with Provide Files button
A: See http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1119 also see example at reply 7 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1120.msg12937#msg12937

Q: How to get multilanguage scrollbox work
A: See trick inside plugin , reply 7 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1120.msg12937#msg12937

Additional Things
Check KYHI Tutorial for a new user
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1666.0

Check Atari800xl Tutorial about Disk imagers,
Disk imagers in PE/SE: Basic build info - Comparison - News
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1141.0

Check
Adding 3rd party plugins: \Downloads\ - MyPlugins_Direct - Yomi
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1208.0

Overall see sections inside FAQ section
http://TheOven.org/index.php?board=35.0

How to build Faster - Test Faster
********
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1209

How to boot Faster
See Reply 4
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1209.msg14466#msg14466



Gena

Q: What is Gena ?
A: Check introduction here http://gena.cwcodes.net

Q: What does Gena as a project mean ?
A: Check here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=376.0

Q: How To Start Gena Build:
A: Check here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=109.0

Q: Gena Disk Space Requirement ?
A: Check here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=109.0

Q: Gena Support Which Sources
A: Follow http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=34.0

Q: To get your LAN network work on Real Hardware
A:  Check reply 1 here http://TheOven.org//index.php?topic=107.0

Q: To get your WiFi network work on Real Hardware
A: Check reply 10 12 here http://TheOven.org//index.php?topic=107.msg1399#msg1399

Q: Why Gena uses \GenaPrograms
A: see reply 4 here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1142.msg13219#msg13219

Q: USB mouse not detected sometimes ... ?
A: See gbrao reply 7 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=815.0

How to build very Small Gena?
Leaving Basic plugin Group Default with only using Create ISO will give you a very small Gena.iso

How to create a Bootable UFD (USB Flash Disk) with Gena?
Gena\WriteMedia=>Tutorial Gena Disk Boot ---> Click "Read ME" button and follow instructions.

Q: How to build Gena without ramdisk ?
Q: Profile in X: (instead of B: or R:)
A: This is a very special case for special usages,
Follow Tutorial here , http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=251.0

Q: What is RegFactory (Register Factory) ?
A: Follow topic here http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=555.0
Also Reply6 - Gena provides 3 ways of build: http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=2140.msg23543#msg23543

Q: How to create an Acronis Plugin for Gena ?
A: See Reply 16 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1143.msg13327#msg13327






As written earlier on current topic:
************************************************************
winbuilder (bug builder) and their developers have no credits with projects,
  in fact they tried to sabotage projects and current forum for years now (5 years and more),
    see reply 12 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1205.msg14145#msg14145
************************************************************
see more info on
bug workaround
Reply 1 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1447.msg16928#msg16928
weg get bug and workaround with Macro Library
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1375.msg16922#msg16922
naming bug Plugin not script
reply 74 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1434.msg16852#msg16852
old users post gaming with plugin name not tolerated http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1939.0
winbuilder bad name intentional, it is the projects that builds not winbuilder
reply 78 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1434.msg16856#msg16856
Story why TheOven.org first created
reply 80 http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1434.msg16859#msg16859





TheOven CWcodes

Some words about our nice home for code cooking :)

If you are a nice people, you will have nice time and fun around.  :cheerleader: :magic: :smart: :matrix:

TheOven.org is NOT a General Forum,
 General Forums have a simple goal, commercial  $$$$$$$ ,
  They need to increase total activity # post #,
   ( Bounce Rate Daily Pageviews per Visitor Daily Time on Site .....)
  There are some professional General Forums, and None Professional ones,
  None Professional General Forums have single(+1+2) Admin that do "anything" to increase total activity.
  They give some fake objectives to public,
  They are like "I open Forum to Save the World, Join us"  :lol: :lol:

I mean "anything" :
None Professional Forums do sneaky things:
 Some Forums say they are legal forums and warez not allowed,
   when you dig you can easily find undistributable materials added to forum by Forum Admins with fake Members.
 They put sloppy closed source softwares, that looks good only at first run, not usable in long term.
 They create fake members to put undistributable materials that attract attention of public.
   (some fake members are very static with hundreds of posts, it is like puppet show made by one. :lol: )
 They create fake members to open topics to add files about some softwares on internet they find.
 They look other side when a real new member put an undistributable materials or illegal materials to topics.
 When there is no activity, just to have at least some daily activity, either with fake or real members, they create chats about "nothing" or "looks like something but about nothing"
 They attack other forums members to simply disturb, "post games".
 They try to fool some other people to work for them, "post games" .

As long as you post these forums, you are tolerated maximum to do anything  :thumbsup:

* There are also Post Games by normal people,
Same pattern used same with "None Professional Forum" Admins (aka Idiots)
 Simply, they try to "look good" to get things they selfishly they are after.
   + They are mostly lazy or in principal lazy ;) . one of idiot detection  :lol:
   + They can "Hey I made a nice free software and share to public, I am a Good Person", which as written above none usable in long term.
   + Some are more clever, To avoid none usability in long term, they make very simple free softwares to give the spirit "Hey I made a nice free software and share to public, I am a Good Person".
   + They can feedback you (software, website etc.) by reporting any missing or bug (which will always exist  :lol: ) to give impression "He look I help you, I am a Good Person" ;).
   + They ignore things on posts and reply things they want, it is same with jokes but in real life "man bite dog" without story behind.  :lol: :lol:
...


* There is also a Post Game  by idiot people we know from past,
with the goal of bad advertising projects on topics around here !!!!!
+
They know projects, so they break plugins or mix plugins in a way to fail projects,
They open topics about failure, and complain about how bad projects are :)
Usual idiots
Last case is : mikhoul and a suspicious one balouh
+
Some ignore fixes already provided,
a suspicious one besco who can not find ‘Download Official Windows 10ISO’ button
+
Some ignore information already provided by project messages....


Sneaky Post Gamers hide themselves in General Public,
 They are like cancers, unlike they have nothing to do only waste time,
  once detected ban.  :raygun:
    idiots.....


When they are exposed, liars can not hide forever  :tongue: ,
 they play the game "I did nice things, I am innocent, the one who expose me is the bad guy."

Currently latest idiot is wingers post games:
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1434.msg16869;topicseen#msg16869

Sneaky Idiots and Children always follow Same pattern  :lol: :lol: :lol:

All above are stupid games, same with 5 year old boys girls, more visible with age 17-21 young girls,
 but harmful (waste time) on internet.

I follow these patterns more than 10 years now,
 I was yet another innocent nice guy that was fooled by some old idiots,
  It is the reason behind creating TheOven.org forum, working on hobby stuff at a nice forum. :thumbsup:

These "post games" are the one we mainly suffer on TheOven.org ,
 we do not need such "post games",
    TheOven.org is NOT a commercial forum.

Any idiot once detected will be banned,
 They have time to waste others time,
   We do not have time to waste.





We had created this forum to easily work on things without interruptions from idiots,
 TheOven.org Forum and our file server CWcodes.net (Cooking With Codes) are fully open to public, without advertisements, limitation, etc.
    so far 5 years passed since forum created, and we work on this stuff more than 5 years now.

ps: There is Spam protection that prevents giving direct link and modifying own posts, after 10 posts you can give direct links and modify your own posts.

Since we naturally have no goals for post # , member # , click # , $ , ....  members who have good intentions welcome  :thumbsup:
 We do not have time to spend with other kind of people, idiots.
  There is already Forum Rules http://TheOven.org/index.php?action=rules
    Well you being one of nice people is superior  :great:

Shortly:
If you are a nice people, you will have nice time and fun around.  :cheerleader: :magic: :smart: :matrix:
If you are not, never come to TheOven.org .

Keep in mind, these are all free projects, all made with free hobby time,
 hobby time is the time which you spend After you earn money, spend time with wife, spend time with children,
   so it is a very limited time.

These are highly complicated projects,
 very different than an application projects where you can request things more easy.
  these are NOT application kind projects.

Don't expect requesting something will be made quickly,
 due to nature of complexity of projects,
  with not being an application project,
   it is not easy to implement things.
    See FAQ: Q: I want a feature but does not work (or does not exists) ?

Contributions is highly welcomed,
 Good contributions are welcomed a lot  :grin:
  We can't do all things, we don't have such time  :cool:
    There are lots of things to do, pick the task you like to work on, DO NOT expect others do it for you  :great:


Have Fun
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Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 12:27:16 AM »

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...edited...
I had a little misunderstanding about the FAQ, actually the thread is coming along just fine, no need to change anything...
ChrisR, your example is very good! One question per post, with links in the first post. Excellent idea!!!
« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 02:21:09 AM by Atari800xl »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 01:11:54 AM »

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edited:

idea is

Q: What is WinXSE
A: ...

Q: What is Gena
A: ...

Q: On Win81 why switching Metro-Desktop do not work
A: Fbwf....

Q: How to create a new plugin
A: Blabla ... Look this (link) this

etc.


would do better  :wink:


I feel You'll be the man behind FAQ Atari800xl , give me some time to organise, rest will be full on your hands  :thumbsup:

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« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 04:37:56 AM by Lancelot »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 01:13:10 AM »

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Do you want to make PEX-builds as fast and reliable as possible ?

Use the Extracted_Wim_Folders plugin available in Utils Folder.

Option widely used for a faster and more reliable building, no need to mount/unmount images at each building.

Just select your Source Directory (in builder, tab source) and then click 'Goooo' button in Extract Wim Folders plugin:
It simply extracts .wim files of your source to get them ready (one time operation) and make required settings on project.
Now you can easly make many builds without Error when mounting/unmounting source OR boring waitings during mount/unmount ;)

Extracted Wim Folders topic: http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=228.0
« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 03:08:44 AM by ChrisR »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 01:29:55 AM »

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How to Reuse the extracted wim folders, previously Prepared ?

Use the Extracted_Wim_Folders plugin available in Utils Folder.

Select your Source Directory (in builder, tab source) and then just click 'Make Extract Wim Folder Settings on Project' button in Extract Wim Folders plugin.

Extracted Wim Folders topic: http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=228.0

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 01:35:43 AM »

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Give me some time,
currently my internet has problem (too slow) connecting theoven.org
(could not reply other topic yet....)
I decide to put all your inputs to initial post after some hours  :thumbsup:

maybe this way better than txt button  :great: time will show  :great:

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Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 02:00:35 AM »

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No rush, of course. I hope that your connection will be better soon  :thumbsup:
Otherwise, Indeed, I think it is better with the forum and by adding a link in the main script of projects (script.project).
Be free of course to edit my posts for my English, to be more clear and concise...
Be free also with the presentation that you feel is best.
And Indeed it is good to give editing rights to Atari800xl, so that he is fully free :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


moved from Post #3
Thank you for opening this topic  :thumbsup:
Here is my first one.
I used {color=blue}{size=12pt}{b}Question?{/b}{/size}{/color}.  It could be with Q's and A's or Q: and A:, I change if you prefer.
It should be better to have a single Question/Answer by post.
And maybe the order of Question can be done in the first post with a link to the post.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 03:11:29 AM by ChrisR »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 02:05:13 AM »

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How to get small builds that requires smaller ram & size ?

Look at what each setting does, check the "Components" (do you need network?), Drivers, etc. etc.
Look at the Projects\Win8PESE\subfolders (eg. Components), the largest scripts usually take the most space, do you need them all? Flash?, VC Runtimes? .Net Framework? etc

Select Compression Maximum in 'Finals\PostConfig' to get .wim file smaller.
Prefer applications that can be used directly in CD/USB (RunFrom,CD).

http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=797.msg10458#msg10458 Reply #18 #19
« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 02:05:52 AM by ChrisR »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 02:10:28 AM »

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what to select for a minimum Win8.1SE building ?

Code: [Select]
Main Configuration
Images configuration

Retrieve Tools
0 - PreConfig
1 - Copy Files
2 - Shell & Config
5 - WoW64 Basic
9 - Autorun
CdDrive - X: - Y:
Retrieve More Localized Info

0 - Pecmd Loader
1 - Explorer Shell
StartIsBackPlus

Windows Driver Foundation
Wallpaper
Themes

Optimizations
1 - Pins
PostConfig
Create ISO

x86 boot.wim ~= 186 Mb
With Network ~20 Mb added, With MMC ~4Mb added, ...

x64 boot.wim ~= 273 Mb
With Network ~23 Mb added, With MMC ~4Mb added, ...

In PE Build Type, there is ~14Mb added for "Refresh your PC" and "Reset your PC" options of the recovery environment.

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 02:43:54 AM »

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BSOD 'Cache_Manager in WinPE5.0, what to do ?

In Windows 8.1 the FBWF driver has some limitations and it is limited to 512 Mb for cache size.

Use fbwf.sys drivers of Windows 8 Embedded Standard much more suited to the needs. It also allows you to choose a size of 768 Mb or 1024 Mb.
It is already included in Win8.1SE (Delta patch to remain legal).

Try with a minimum size for FBWF, corresponding to your needs, your Apps (ex: 256 Mb - 512 Mb).
If it is not enough, increase the cache size in 'Build\2 - Shell & Config'.

Note: Increasing the cache size will give you more Writable space on the boot drive, but less RAM will be available for System use.

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 03:53:12 AM »

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Hi  ChrisR :thumbsup:

Note: Increasing the cache size will give you more Writable space on the boot drive, but less RAM will be available for System use.

It's okay!

Size FBWF - will change dynamically from RAM!
But not more than the normal 768 or 1000mb.

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 04:34:06 AM »

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Q: How to create complex plugins
A: We provide some tools that you will require for such task on projects
      Rest is a self learning process  :thumbsup:
These tools:
Utils\"PC Packed"
 ----> to create simple plugin
Utils\"RegCPE"
 ----> to convert .reg to plugin code
Apps\System Tools\Debug\"Sysinternals Process Monitor"
 ----> debug the application you work on ..
Apps\System Tools\Registry\"RegShot2 Unicode"
 ----> snapshot to figure out reg changes (to catch how settings change at registry)

Happy learning times :turtle:

ex:
Reply 1
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=2211.msg23860#msg23860
« Last Edit: September 03, 2017, 12:53:33 PM by Lancelot »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2014, 04:49:40 AM »

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Okay,
 After thinking some more,
  I made a small start, check intial post.

It occur to me, "hey we are using HyperText  :w00t:"
 Even only gathering Q is enough with some links. (check 3a 3b above)

I feel This would confort all ,
Atari800xl can even write a tutorial on a subject hence we can put a simple Q and A to pointing such tutorial
We can gather lots of Q A around easly

I will ask Galapo give permission to Chris - Atari800xl to edit initial post of current topic  :wink:

I feel we are slowly getting to somewhere, still I will follow other ideas.  :thumbsup:

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Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2014, 05:55:52 AM »

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Hi  ChrisR :thumbsup:

Note: Increasing the cache size will give you more Writable space on the boot drive, but less RAM will be available for System use.

It's okay!

Size FBWF - will change dynamically from RAM!
But not more than the normal 768 or 1000mb.
Hi Doberman :thumbsup:

Thank you for this precision  :thumbsup:
It seems that I need to read or test more WES8 FBWF according to size selected. I'm not sure I fully understand.
I'm busy this afternoon, and to take care of my wife and children I try to make slowly the weekend  :wink:

Offtopic: I tested your latest Win8.1 Russian PE. It is really very good :thumbsup:, I will look at it a little more when I have free time.
however, I do not have the network in VMware even after using DevInst -auto2 shortcut.
I really love Alexey's devinst tool (Windows Installer driver/WinPE ) to install drivers on a runnig PE  :thumbsup: and your packs NT6x86/NT6x64 are really good.
Maybe you can write a small tutorial on a new topic to present briefly this Great tool. I would try to make a script for it, later, maybe.

:cheers:


Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2014, 05:59:39 AM »

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I feel we are slowly getting to somewhere, still I will follow other ideas.  :thumbsup:
:great:
The beginning and the first post is very good  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

See you  :cheers:

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2014, 06:23:36 AM »

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Q: How to use / test plugin after build ?
A:
No need to rebuild all times  :wink:
If you already made a build (big blue play),
Just use 'green play' button on such plugin, which adds things ..
(When developing or testing plugins, check errors etc. on such plugin)

After you get green button work on plugin, to see the result:

WinXSE: Finals\"PostConfig"
-----> use button "Create new Target Image and ISO"
or
-----> use small button "Create new Target Image and ISO and Start Emulator"


Gena: Finals\2 Create Image
-----> use green play button of the 'Create Image' plugin you like,
 than you can see result with one of Virtual Test plugin

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« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 08:05:15 AM by Lancelot »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2014, 06:24:53 AM »

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Q: Where to find other plugins ?
A: We tried to ease such task quite a lot:

Intro:
General plugins are compatible to eachother  :thumbsup:
and
TheOven projects designed to be used on very same base folder   :thumbsup:

1)
Gena have great number of plugins that can be used on WinXSE (vice versa  :wink:)
Assuming you are using one of WinXSE,
download Gena side by side (same folder) with WinXSE
Use
1a) WinXSE\"Share Plugins" --> button "Get Links From"  (with "Gena" selected)
1b) Gena\Utils\"Share Plugins" --> button "Share Plugins with" --> Select WinXSE (if not exists, use "Custom" checkbox filling export project name)

2)
We have Yomi Project which is a General Plugin collection ( 100 >= plugins)
Follow instructions here http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=175.0

3)
You can download individual plugins from
"General Plugin" section http://theoven.org/index.php?board=9.0
See
Also See: Adding 3rd party plugins
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=1208

You can also use Utils\"MyPlugins Project Add"
to add your plugins to project

And don't forget to search forum with Google:
ex: Macrium site:TheOven.org
https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=Macrium+site:TheOven.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=pBnKVZSrIKuqygPmypKwBQ



Q: Where to find project specific plugins ?
A:
As princaple we %99 put project specific plugins to projects  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
For %1 case, Check Forum section for such plugin
A special case on Gena, we also have "Yomi Gena" collection, http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=176.0



edit:
also check reply 6 here http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=928.msg11608#msg11608
Also reply 6 here http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=1146.msg13299#msg13299
« Last Edit: August 11, 2015, 05:50:41 AM by Lancelot »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2014, 06:33:07 AM »

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The beginning and the first post is very good  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Thanks for nice words  :smile:

I added some more, but first things first, now I have to go back to finals,
 My semester will end ~10 days later, than I can produce more  :thumbsup:

Till that times, I will follow your inputs untill Galapo give permission to you (ChrisR and Atari800xl)

@Galapo
if easier , if possible , better give both permission to edit current topic  :thumbsup:

See You
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Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2014, 03:03:42 AM »

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Q: How to Test Commands without plugin ?
A: At Tools->Options --> Enable Codebox
After that, you will notice a codebox button on main screen,
Write something under [process]
Code: [Select]
Message,"Hello TheOven.org"
and click Green Play button at up right
 than click log button to see result
This will both ease
1) Learning
2) Small testing

++
If you get a "unrecognized" warning, it is yet another winbuilder bug,
  only add this to top:
Code: [Select]
[process]
If,ExistFile,%API%,AddVariables,%API%,ApiVar,GLOBAL
-> this also exists at wand (right click on editor -> at bottom Macro Library -> Others -> ML_Codebox)


Another example:
Code: [Select]
[Process]
If,ExistFile,%API%,AddVariables,%API%,ApiVar,GLOBAL
Call,HostOSArch
Echo,HostOSArch=%HostOSArch%
Message,"HostOSArch=%HostOSArch%",Information

There are lots of ready examples at Macro Library sections,
like Call command
http://TheOven.org/index.php?topic=45.0

you can simply copy paste these examples to CodeBox , test and see how things works  :great:

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« Last Edit: February 24, 2015, 12:16:13 PM by Lancelot »

Re: FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2014, 03:04:27 AM »

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Q: What are Commands to use on plugin syntax ?
A: There are 2 types of Commands, Native Commands and Macro Library Commands
Native Commands: See existing plugins, it is quite easy to follow  :thumbsup:
Attention:
  NEVER use a native command (or/and its sub feature) that does NOT exists on plugins,
    current tool has tons of bugs :medusa:, just check how we handle commands on plugins.
Macro Library Commands: Check here: http://theoven.org/index.php?board=14.0
Macro Library Commands Serves

1) Things to to that can not be done with Native Commands
Most popular ones:
Add_Shortcut http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=50.0
Require_FileQ http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=43.0
Runfrom http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=452.0
Secondary Popular:
Call http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=45.0
Require,File http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=454.0
Require,Font http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=42.0

2) Workaround lots of bugs of current builder.


NEVER use a native Macro (or/and its sub feature) that does NOT documented at Macro Library http://theoven.org/index.php?board=14.0
 We slowly get rid of old macros in time, if you use such commands we guarantee you Plugin will not work in future.
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